Some logical points.......?

Question

-If the Muslims deny Israel why should we not deny Palestine?


-If Muslims deny the Holocaust, in which 6 Million Jews were murdered by the German people, why should we not deny the 10,000 or so Muslims who were killed in the War in the Balkans under Slobodan Milosovij?

How do Muslims deny the existence of Jews in Israel before them and that the two Jewish Temples never existed? How do they account for archaeological evidence that Jews were there over 2,700 years before them? Oh yes, they have a certain nasty habit of destroying evidence and artifacts.....

-How can B claim that Israeli soldiers rape the women, gas the civilians, drink the blood of babies, etc, If she herself claims to be Iraqi, and her father in the Iraqi Army under Saddam Hussein? You're telling me that Saddam's army hugged and kissed 500,000 Kurds and 150,000 of his own Arab Shi'ites to death? As she said herself, "My family was proud to serve our country under orders from the Iraqi ruler."

Answer 1

We could deny these things, yes. But then we would lose the right to say that we are above that, and we would lose the ability to say that we are acting as a light onto the nations. As you know, being Jewish is a blessing and a responsibility.

Answer 2

So basically two wrongs make a right, then?

I do not deny the Holocaust and it matters not to me if the numbers are exaggerated or not. If it was one Jew killed, it was one too many. I have no reason to believe that the numbers are exaggerated and that doesn't negate the absolute wrong of the genocide if they are. I will agree with you that there are some ignorant Muslims who make these kinds of absurd claims, but I don't believe it is the majority.

But I must say, I've never heard of the denial of the Jewish people in Israel as an historical fact. The "Bani Israel" (tribe of Israel) play a major part in the Quran. Nor have I heard the claim that the Temples never existed.

Answer 3

Shanti - nnow who is the hypocrite!!! Wat do u mean "cuz we are better than them" Dontt tell me that all Jews are perfect and never mistreat Muslims!!

Shanti- I dont know about other Muslims cuz I never actually heardanyone denying the Holocaust this is a fact that happened in history. I am muslim and would never deny the Holocaust or the innocent pppl killed cuz of there religion!!



1) In one of the questions I hope u saw my answer I said that I dont deny the holocaust and that watever Hitler did was crazy he was crazy was sick!! I knoe he killed 3 million jews!! and I never said that was not true I know thats true this guy was noot normal. who the hell kills someone cuz of there religion!!!???
2)Which side denies first. Whetherr we like it or not Israel is on the map so how can we deny this fact! There was once a place called Palestine but u guys wiped it off the map!!
There is a fact there is a place caled PAlestine and there is a place called Israel!
I dont think my answer is offensive in any way!!

Answer 4

Mimi - I am a Jew, and I do not deny you. Most Israelis support a two-state solution, which means that they recognise the rights of the Palestinian people and your need for a state of your own.

The horrors of the holocaust were very real, and virtually every Jewish person lost members of their family in it (including myself). The pain of that event is still extremely raw for us, so I should warn you that you had better be able to substantiate any suggestion that it was exaggerated, because if there's one thing worse for us than an Israel denier, it's a holocaust denier...

Londoner In Israel

Answer 5

Good points,every single one of them. And you are perfectly polite; no 'racism' or anything there. Though of course B will still condemn you, no doubt. But then, anyone who tells such blatant lies about the Israeli army, and who apparently praises Hitler, can hardly be relied upon for honesty and integrity.

EDIT MICHAEL J

I think you know that I really respect your views and I have learned a great deal from all your posts. In this instance, I feel that UltraNational is not the person to be angry with. He has not, in this post, said one offensive thing. He is simply, it seems to me, trying to get our Muslim counterparts to understand how they make us feel when they question or deny the Holocaust or when they deny Israel's right to exist.

Yes, at times Ultra - much like myself! - does get angry. But on this particular occasion, he has done nothing wrong. At least, not in my opinion :)

OH SO NOW MIMI SAYS 'MANY PEOPLE' THINK THE HOLOCAUST WAS EXAGGERATED

YOU BEING ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE, MIMI? OR NOT? AT LEAST STOP BEING A COWARD AND HIDING BEHIND 'OTHER PEOPLE THINK'.

Answer 6

Sorry, I don't understand what mimi says. She says that most people don't believe that 6,000,000 jews and millions of non jews perished in Nazi Germany. Mimi please explain how do you know what 'most people' believe.

Only revisionists, neo Nazis and those who hate jews claim that the holocaust was not real. The Germans left behind them really detailed records and they themselves explained they murdered 6,000,000 jews.

Paperback, stop shouting please. I agree with you, but speak more quietly.

Answer 7

You spend half your time on this forum blasting Arabs and Muslims on these very points, and now you want to mimic them? There is value in doing right, even if your enemies don't. As a Jew, I believe in objective morality and the need to do what's right under any circumstances.
You are a very passionate individual, but it seems that the wisdom of age has not yet set in.

Answer 8

ultra we will not deny anyone...

why??

couse we are better then them!!!

we will face the truth!!!!
that is our power over them....

***jasmin...
i meen better then people who deny , not muslims.
but in this case yes it's about muslims.
and you cent deny that there is agroup of muslims who deny the holocaust.

Answer 9

Not all Muslims deny Israel but all Jews deny Palestine and the Palestinian people.

Not all Muslims deny holocoust, only the ignorant ones do but most people not only muslims believe that it was exagurated

Muslims don't deny the existance of the Jews in Israel before them. This is a stupid claim of you. We believe that the Jews came before muslims but the Arabs (Canaanites) came before both of these.

Answer 10

Londoner in Israel! Welcome back, hope you can stick around for awhile, Peace!