Re:Christians : Jews Killed Jesus according to Paul?

Question

Check out this question from a few hours ago,
and check out the best answer the asker chose.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AqgL57HE0a1C_ZUi1xZYBoLty6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20071120005714AA6k9i1&show=7#profile-info-NFo8xSYhaa

What do you think of the "best answer" ?
Do you agree with her ?

Did you guys notice she said Paul was not a Jew and he resented them because they were chosen? She needs to read Philippians 3: 4-6

My point, Docscholl, is that no one was innocent, the Romans nor the Jews. They were both guilty.

Answer 1

No, I don't agree with her. If you choose to believe that Paul was a liar then you have to discredit almost all of the Bible (NT) and then you get into playing God, by picking and choosing the part you want to follow. I could care less who actually sentenced Jesus to death or who put the nails in His hands, we are ALL guilty of His death because we are the reason His sacrifice was necessary.

Answer 2

The 'best answer' is entirely correct. The Jews had no authority to order killings, and quite apart from that, they never, ever practised crucifixion; only the Romans used this method. Sometimes they killed up to 100 Jews in a single day.

No way did the Jews have any way of 'persuading' or 'requesting' that the Romans get rid of Jesus. It's absurd to even claim this. Remember that the NT accounts were written after Jesus died, primarily by people who never even MET Jesus - Paul, for instance.

The Jews had no reason to kill Jesus. They may not have agreed with him but debate is an age old tradition within Judaism. Jesus was one of several radicals around at that time.

Answer 3

tisk, tisk tisk. The asker nor the best answer has ever read the bible. The only thing she got right is that the Jews had no authority to put anyone to death, that is why they had to black mail Pilate to do it for them and why Pilate washed his hands and said the blood of Jesus was on the Jews hands and they eagerly accepted the blood of Jesus.

The Jews told Pilate thatt Jesus claimed to be a king and according to the law tha Pilate was sworn to uphold that was treason. Pilate knew what they were doing but also knew that if he let Jesus go the Jews would go over his head and declare that he supported a new king. Pilate was forced in a corner and to keep a riot from happening and possibly being charged with treason himself he had no choice but to condemn an innocent man to death.

I wish people would actually read the bible before trying to claim it says something it does not say.
BB

Answer 4

If Jesus was slain before the foundation of the world, then there had to be a people who were also chosen to crucify Him. Someone had to do it. He knew He had to provoke them is such a way for this plan to be carried out. Pilot was chosen to wash his hands of the whole thing or otherwise it would have been his decision. Could only one man have the authority or the power to do so alone, maybe. Jesus provoked them enough when he claimed He was The King of the Jews, or did He? They misunderstood that Jesus. He was not speaking of an earthly kingdom He was speaking of a spiritual kingdom. "the kingdom of heaven is within you. Seek ye first the kingdom of God and all the other things shall be added unto you. Suffer little children to come unto me, for such is the kingdom of heaven.

Answer 5

I'm surprised he picked her answer as best after all that racist crap about "Zionist Christians."

The fact is that had the Jews wanted to kill Jesus for blasphemy or whatever, the Sanhedrin could've stoned him to death without bothering the Romans about it at all - and then we'd all be wearing rocks on our necks instead of crosses, I suppose. If the Gospel story is based on actual historical events - which is disputable - and a Jewish upstart prophet whom legend has named "Jesus" was crucified, it would've been a Roman initiative, and the charge would've been sedition, i.e. stirring up the people and inciting a revolt.

The blame was only placed on the Jews because the manufacturers of the legend were trying to appeal to a Roman audience. Consider the time during which the Gospels were composed, at or just after the Fall of Jerusalem in CE 70. Who are you writing for at that point? How are you going to get the most people to join your new club? That also explains why so many pagan mythological motifs were incorporated into the Gospel story.

Incidentally, the opinions of "Christians" on this subject are basically worthless, since they really don't care about what actually happened; they only care about bolstering the mythology of the Gospels. It's just "We all killed Jesus because he died for our sins," blah blah blah. And by the way, the Bible is NOT a reliable historical document.

Answer 6

I don't see why this was voted best answer. The statement holds alot of venom for the prophets instead of just addressing the question. She judges Peter and states that he didnt know Jesus. The men who wrote the Bible were inspired by GOD to write what they wrote, the vessel by which those writings arrived is not an issue for someone to judge. King James, who caused the number one selling book in the world to this day to be written was a homosexual. We cannot apply our own reasoning to why God does what he does, uses who he uses, ect. What does it really matter who killed Jesus? He came to die for our sins and teach us how to walk in the Lord, and this was accomplished. This is the most important thing. Why emphasize the issue of who killed him? So we can point the finger and blame this group? That is not christian-like.

Answer 7

Jesus made many enemies. He upset the status quo, the powerful, the well-positioned people of the day. Many had reason to want Him out of the way. It wasn't the general public who wanted Jesus dead, but the civil leaders, chief priests, the scribes and Pharisees were the ones identified again and again as those determined to put Jesus to death.

But the main instigators were able to manipulate the public to help convince Pilate to carry out the death sentence (Mark 15:11).

The ones to whom Jesus spoke, among whom He had taught and performed miracles—the same ones who only a few days before were lining the streets welcoming Him into Jerusalem as the prophesied Messiah, the Son of David (Matthew 21:9)—had become disillusioned and even called for His death.

The Romans were also guilty in the death of this innocent Man. Pilate sentenced Him, knowing He was innocent of the charges brought against Him. The Romans carried out the sentence in typical Roman fashion—a brutal beating, scourging and crucifixion. It was a Roman who drove the nails into His wrists and feet. It was a Roman spear that was thrust into His side.

Several weeks later, Peter was quick to say who was implicated in the death of Jesus: "For truly against Your holy Servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, were gathered together" (Acts 4:27). It doesn't seem that many people were left out.

It's easy to assign blame for Jesus' death to a small group of people —the religious hypocrites and civil leaders who wanted to retain their positions seem to be implicated the most. It's also easy to lay the guilt of this murder on a whole race of people. And it's also true that we can implicate the ruling Roman state. But it's not as simple as that.

It's safe to say that if Jesus would have come to any society and culture and exposed it for its failings, its hypocrisy, He would not have been accepted.

If Jesus had exposed any society that was equally far from its ideals, they too would have killed Him.

This is the horrible truth we all want to avoid. What the original followers of Jesus are telling us is that no one is innocent of this crime. We all were complicit in the death of Christ. Paul was convinced of his personal guilt: "Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners—of whom I am the worst" (1 Timothy 1:15, NIV).

Answer 8

It's all hearsay. She's an idiot for spewing such nonsense. She believes exactly what she wants to believe because she most likely inherited that belief system from her parents and holds true to it. She acts like she's got a first-hand account of the situation. Honestly, she doesn't know what she's talking about and the question poster is an idiot for accepting her 'testimony'.

Answer 9

The answerer is saying that the Romans killed Jesus and she's absolutely correct. Pontius Pilate and his people put Jesus to death. What's so hard about understanding that if one reads the Bible?

Answer 10

Morgaine did have the best answer and I do agree with her.

Why do you ask?

Are you of the mindset that the Romans were powerless and innocent?

Do you believe that the Jews actually controlled all the events?