Where do God and Science Meet?

Question

i believe in God. i do not believe in the christian god. Big Bang/ 7 Days... i wasn't there but whatever the Source, is what i choose to call God.

i do not even know if God has a consciousness or a reason. I only know that It Is. this includes that It Has Been and Continues To Be.

these are biblical references, i know, but they are logical to me.

My question, even atheists can contribute, i believe if they can assume my definition of God is merely the Source of all things, is what can we ALL agree on regarding the nature of God?

not what's out of a book or relates to our personal relationship with our percieved Maker.

it simply goes without saying that, since God laid down the foundation for mathematics, physics, gravity, and other natural laws, such things as friction or atmospheric pressure are merely evidence of this Source. it also goes without saying that any idea that conflicts with Natural Law can be understood as false.

if there is a God, i would like you to attempt to explain it through Natural Phenomena, because the supernatural is not outside of nature, only outside our understanding of nature.

this includes God.

iam dissappointed at these atheist responses. obviously you did not take the time to read what i had to say. again, i am NOT talking about the christian god. i am talking about the source, conscious or not, that i choose to call God for lack of a better word.

i would like to understand this God better. saying that science and this God don't meet is neither helpful nor accurate.

usually i can trust an atheist's opinion, mostly, but you all are beginning to sound like christians with your preconcieved notions and agenda.

i'm really ashamed in myself that i trusted you could address the question academically.

nevermind.

luken and seeker-

thank you.

silynced0good:

you are evangelizing. apparently you don't know how to read. i did not ask for a fairytale. i am talking about the nature of God. you undermine my purpose of being able to establish God as a logical truth with your childlike reasoning.

i made it very clear that jesus is not what i am talking about and i think it's safe to say that you are full of ****, so go spam somebody's question that asked about christianity.

bullshit is not science, dickwad.

wally:


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leopold stotch

i didn't i was very careful to say that i don't know if God has a consciousness or reason. i even made sure i said "It" instead of "Him/Her"

i am not trying to make my God look like me. I am trying to demonstrate that any assumption we make about God can be proven wrong simply by comparing the assumption with the Laws of Nature. this includes making God a human.

leopold stotch

i didn't i was very careful to say that i don't know if God has a consciousness or reason. i even made sure i said "It" instead of "Him/Her"

i am not trying to make my God look like me. I am trying to demonstrate that any assumption we make about God can be proven wrong simply by comparing the assumption with the Laws of Nature. this includes making God a human.

Answer 1

It appears that God meets science at quantum physics . . .

Stephen Hawking WAS an atheist who is now a theist. A large part of that conversion was disdain for the arrogance displayed by many atheists. They scoff at the idea of God because there is no evidence for Him. However, as Hawking pointed out, if all scientists thought that way, black holes never would have been discovered. There was no evidence for them.

The Heisenberg uncertainty principle points to a mystical side of quantum physics that stretches credulity and suggests "mind" as a component of the material universe.

Matter emerges from nowhere and disappears again. Subatomic particles can’t both be and be known to be. Matter shifts from existing to only having the potential to exist.

Our human acts affect what is true at the quantum level. The act of measurement distorts what’s being measured. Human consciousness itself seeps into the discussion of quantum physics. Consciousness, mind, data, whatever you want to call it, is beginning to factor into quantum physics and even black holes.

These trends remind me of Albert Einstein's cosmic God. Although he didn't believe in religion or a personal God, he did believe in a cosmic God, as evidenced by one of my favorite quotes of his:

"Human beings, vegetables, or cosmic dust - we all dance to a mysterious tune, intoned in the distance by an invisible piper." ~Albert Einstein

Given the way life is so tenacious, adaptive, and varied here on Earth -- almost as if it has a mind of its own -- I wouldn't be surprised that we find life is abundant throughout the universe. And that life does have a mind of its own . . . a mind hinted at by the mystical aspects of quantum physics . . . a mind that is part and parcel of the material universe . . . a mind that is as close as you can get to God.

Answer 2

God exists long before science and i believe he is the engineer of science. Before men came to know more of the earth and the universe there were already evidences in the scriptures that God is speaking the truth.

For example: THE EARTH IS SPHERICAL (before the launching of Apollo11)
Isaiah 40:22
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

and THE EARTH IS SUSPENDED UPON NOTHING
Job 26:7
He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

So, I believe that the only being that could tell those things in a dispensation where technology is not readily available is someone who existed from eternity. He is God and He was the one who designed the universe and all of the things therein.

Answer 3

you're like made with some style of magic coin it somewhat is decrease into 2 products each and each waiting on the different. Then whilst the two ultimately meet up they in the present day get to artwork following the now finished training on the thank you to make you. It sound like some style of magic fairy tale the place the map is torn in a million/2 and you may connect the two products mutually to make it artwork. Neat for God to make it that way huh?

Answer 4

There is a God, just One, but there is a God who created this universe with all of its complexities and wonder. It did not just happen, it was created by an intelligent being, called God.
The God of the Bible is a triune God, one God in three persons. We call this the Trinity. Each Person in the Godhead has a specific office. God the Father superintends the universe. God the Son is the Savior, and God the Holy Spirit is the indweller. All three were involved in the creation of the world and man. In Gen.1:1, the Hebrew word for God is 'elohiym, which is a plural noun. It suggests a plurality in the Godhead. This is confirmed by the statement in Genesis 1:26 where God says, "Let us make man in our image." Note the use of the plural pronoun but singular "image".
The Bible does not seek to prove the existence of God. The fact that there is a God is assumed throughout the Scriptures. Before anything came into being, He was “In the beginning God.” The first verse of the Bible begins with the assumption of His pre-existence. "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." God's existence is presented as a statement of fact that needs no proof. The man who says that there is no God is called a fool in Psalm 14:1. We also need to connect this verse with John 1:1-5 which clearly states that Jesus was also there at the beginning of creation with God, therefore validating His eternal Sonship. The Holy Spirit also took part in creation. “The Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.” Genesis 1:2. The triune God created the heaven and the earth.

C. However, even apart from the Bible, there are certain evidences for the existence of God.
Consider the following:
(1) Mankind has always believed in a universal being.
(2) Creation must have a creator. The universe could not originate without a cause.
(3) The wonderful design, which we see in creation, demands an infinite designer.
(4) Because good and evil exist throughout the world, we must assume there is a moral law that divides good and evil. Since there is a moral law, there must be a lawgiver.
(5) Since man is an intelligent, moral being, his creator must have been of a much higher order in order to create him.


It is difficult to define God. One of the best ways is to describe certain of His qualities or characteristics. When we try to describe a person to someone that they have never met, we refer to their hair, eyes, size and other characteristics. This is also how the Bible tells us about God. These are known as His attributes.

A. God is omnipresent. This means that God is present everywhere at the same time. Jeremiah 23:24.

B. God is omniscient. In other words, He knows all things. He knows every thought and deed of man. Proverbs 15:3. He knows everything that takes place in nature, including even the death of a sparrow. Matthew 10:29. Though the universe is limitless and gloriously grand, He knows the eternal story of every grain of sand.

C. God is omnipotent. He has all power. He created the universe and now controls it by His power. There is nothing that He cannot do. Matthew 19:26.

D. God is eternal. He never had a beginning, and He will never cease to be. When Moses asked, “Who shall I say has sent me?” God replied, “I AM THAT I AM.” He didn’t reply that he was or that he shall be. He is the eternal “I AM.” Exodus 3:13-14.

E. God is unchangeable. "I am the Lord, I change not." Malachi 3:6.

F. God is holy. He is absolutely pure and sinless. He hates sin and loves goodness. Proverbs 15:9-26. He must separate Himself from sinners, and must punish sin. Isaiah 59:1-2.

G. God is just. Everything He does is right and fair. He fulfills all His promises. Psalm 119:137.

H. God is love. Although God hates sin, He loves sinners. John 3:16.

The bible contains the mind of God, the state of man, the way of salvation, the doom of sinners and the happiness of believers. Its doctrines are holy, its precepts are binding, its histories are true, and its decisions are immutable. Read it to be wise, believe it to be saved, and practice it to be holy. It contains light to direct you, food to support you, and comfort to cheer you. It is the traveler's map, the pilot's compass, the soldier's sword, and the Christian's charter. Here Paradise is restored, Heaven opened, and the gates of Hell disclosed. Christ is its grand subject, our good its design, and the glory of God its end. Read it slowly, frequently, prayerfully. It is a mine of wealth, a paradise of glory, and a river of pleasure. It will reward the greatest labor, and condemn all who trifle with its sacred contents. It is the Book of Books-God's Book-the revelation of God to man."

I am sure if you need to know more about God you can find it all in the bible

Answer 5

If a god exists then I would expect there to be some kind of scientific evidence of that fact.

So far we haven't found anything (though a lot of crackpots have claimed to have such evidence or misused quotes by actual scientists to try to claim that real scientists have, look at the 'answer' by Seeker for an example) but it is quite possible that a higher power as it were may exist and may exist in such a way that the universe is a different place then a universe without a higher power.

Of course if such a being were found to exist we would then have to explain why it exists so if we don't have any evidence for it we'd prefer not to invoke it as an explanation for anything (you can't explain the unknown with the unknowable and expect to actually get somewhere).

Answer 6

Great question ! It all depends on what is meant by "God".
Personally I see the traditional view of God, as some humanlike invisible creature with emotions sitting outside of the Universe (Everything that exists,) as rather immature and simplistic. This view belongs to a time when man was still in his cultural childhood.
For me the idea of God is expressed through the underlying unity of nature, the relatively simple principles from which beautiful and complex ramifications flow.
If I were to define God, I would say "The Universe understood in all of its depths", or "The only reality of existence", or perhaps "the unified field of natural laws".
It seems to me that your concept of God is a reasonable one. We shouldn't divide the reality into "Nature" and "God", there's only one ultimate reality.
The reason I call it God is because I see it as a "trancentental" entity.
Think about it this way: space and time are both "aspects" of the Universe, they can only have meaning within the context of the Universe, so the Universe itself stands as the background beyond time and place. There is no way for us to wrap our minds around its "nature", since there is no context we could put the Universe into, and because we are a part of it ourselves, that would be like trying to imagine the infinity. For instance, we cannot say whether it is "conscious" or "inanimate", because there is no context, therefore it would be something that is "beyond" these notions. So in that sense I regard it to be "trancendental" and beyond human understanding. I see this trancendence in every atom of it. That's the reason I call it God.
Physicists call it "supersymmetry(The unification of 4 fundamental forces of nature with matter in one equation, they decoupled from ONE FORCE). You can find this unification pattern everywhere in the world around you. Even in models involving many universes, there's always a relation of causality among them.
So for me, the idea of "omniscience" of God is expressed as the mathematical laws of nature, its "omnipresence" as space-time, and its "unity" or "oneness" as the unification pattern. I wouldn't say religions are wrong, I do believe however that our "traditional" understandings of them are inadaquate.
That's the only objective way I can think of it.

This is what Enstein said:
"A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty - it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and this alone, I am a deeply religious man."

Answer 7

I agree with you and do not believe in the stories fabricated by organized religions.

Scientist say they have deciphered genetic code but who in first place wrote it. Such questions can not be answered by any scientific theories. Science is trying to know the nature but is silent over its creator.

Answer 8

GOD and science have never been mutually exclusive. Dogmatic religion IS diametrically opposed, not just to science, but to GOD's will as well. How can one let GOD into his mind and heart if both remain closed by religious arrogance?

Just FYI, a great deal of scientists, engineers, physicists, biologists (believers in evolution) and chemists believe in GOD as well, so what does that tell you?

Answer 9

Basically you're calling the physical universe God. Why do you assume that a consciousness had to shape the universe prior to physical properties defining subsequent reactions? Why anthropomorphise physics?

Answer 10

God and science meet at the second star to the right and straight on 'til morning.

(Just a little humour to lighten your day. This is an excellent question. NASA even says they rely on "everyday miracles", so your ideas are quite insightful.)