The trinity.......?

Question

Indeed no less a source than the stalwart Harper’s Bible Dictionary records that “the formal doctrine of the Trinity as it was defined by the great church councils of the fourth and fifth centuries is not to be found in the [New Testament]."

Paul F. Achtemeier, ed. (1985), 1099; emphasis added.


If this is the FACTS and the Bible its self is so specific when describing the relations ship between the God head, then why do the majority of Christians believe in this "incomprehensible" doctrine?

I find it interesting that so many of you have misenterpreted my statment and have assumed that I am unlearned in the Biblical text. Read it again. I am not saying the word I am saying the concept. I encourage you to read the life of Christ again and see how many times he destinguishes between himself and his Father.

Perhaps some examples would help.

The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do.”9 On another occasion He said, “I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.”10 Of His antagonists He said, “[They have] . . . seen and hated both me and my Father.”11 And there is, of course, that always deferential subordination to His Father that had Jesus say, “Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.”12 “My father is greater than I.”13

To whom was Jesus pleading so fervently all those years, including in such anguished cries as “O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me”

Answer 1

People are dumbasses and are always willing to take scripture and twist and mold it to mean whatever is most convenient for them. Ironically enough, this is exactly the kind of crap that Jesus took the priests of his day to task for. Isn't that crazy?

Answer 2

The trinity is NOT a Biblical teaching.

Look at how people cannot explain it- even people who are "learned" in Scripture.

It is a pagan, false, God-dishonouring, Satan-pleasing, confusing teaching.

Jehovah is God Almighty.
Jesus is God's Son, and NOT God.
The holy spirit is God's power, and NOT God.

EDIT: Peteslay...; if it takes great pain to show from the Bible that there is no trinity, then it is more excruciating than
birth pangs to show from the Bible that there is a trinity!!!

Answer 3

The problem

1) God speaks in the plural in Genisis
2) God takes great pains throughout the Bible to make sure we all know he is the only God
3) The God presents 3 divine representations acting pretty much independent and simultanious: The Father, Son, and Holy Sprit

Solution?

To make that all work the only answer you can really come up with from what has been revealed is the concept of The Trinity. It is a 3 in one God who can therefore speak to himself in the plural(1) yet still be only one being(2) but is also able to still fullfill all 3 roles (3)

Amazingly this then becomes the most logical answer to the problem short of giving up and going athiest. I know it sounds "incomprehensible" to some, but we are talking about God here...Since when has God ever made sense?

Answer 4

If you'll get hold of the portion of conversations in the Bible, the fatherhood has the main course of the topic but trinity have specified it and put it into more profound practice.

Although, I have heard/read somewhere, that you should not honor any father but your own father. Thereby, Reverend was then put into realizations.

Answer 5

Catholics do not even pretend to prove the dogma of the trinity from Scripture. Since it was made an article of faith, they can only interpret verses as referring to the trinity. The Trinity dogma was formulated from parts of scripture, reason and faith. The Church itself got this infallible authority from Scripture itself Matt: XVI, 18-19. In other words, the Catholic Church could not even exist without scripture and it could not formulate the dogma of the trinity without scripture. It is a false premise that this dogma must be proven from Scripture, since it is not necessary for it to do so. Scripture was not meant to be a dictionary, textbook or even a reference book for proving or disproving dogmas. Scripture is a love story filled with real magic. It is designed to unite rather than for those who wish to use it as a battlefield. Satan is behind that type of thinking.

Answer 6

The only thing that supports the trinity is the misuse of scriptures and the mistranslated ones. Paul made it clear who the one and only God was, and thats in 1 Cor. 8:4-6

Answer 7

It isn't incomprehensible. You just have to have some elementary knowledge of Greek philosophy in order to understand the terminology. And the doctrine of the Trinity was affirmed long before any official canon of Scripture.

Answer 8

...Your answer is found in Scripture. Read Genesis, chapter 1 to find your answer... (best if you can get a translation of the Tanakh or the Greek lexicon)... God (El Shaddi) says in vs.26 of chapter 1. "let us make man in our (Elohimnu a plural word form of God) image... Then God (El Shaddi) speaks to the Ruach Ha Kodesh (The Holy Spirit)... "3" Persons of the Godhead in One Person... God clearly has told us that His ways are not our ways... that His thoughts are higher then our thoughts... that our greatest wisdom is utter foolish to God... The Apostle Paul (In 1 Corn. chapter 13) explains that we see only in part in this life... someday we will know... the day we step into Eternity... we will know.....

Answer 9

Because the Bible teaches it you know the one
the Father ,the Son the Holy Spirit, that,s why we
hold to the trinity because God does.

Answer 10

Joh 14:9 , Joh 10:30, John chapter 1, Heb 1 etc. there are many references to the trinity, Do I fully understand it? NO, I don't think any of us can with our limited understanding. I believe we were created in Gods image in that we are Soul, Spirit and Body, Just because we cant diverge into those three parts, dosn't mean that all mighty God cannot.

Hebrews 1
1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by WHOM he made the worlds; Jesus made the worlds

3Who being the BRIGHTNESS of his glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

express image:
charaktēr
khar-ak-tar'
From the same as G5482; a graver (the tool or the person), that is, (by implication) engraving ([“character”], the figure stamped, that is, an exact copy or [figuratively] representation): - express image.

4Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

5For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

6And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

What?? Jesus is worshiped by the angels? God alone is to be worshiped Exo 34:14

7And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

8But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. WHAT?? Who said that to the son? THE FATHER DID!!

9Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

10And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

once again, he was there in the begining creating things

11They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;

12And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

13But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

14Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

You can deny The Godhead all you want, I know what the Bible says about WHO God allows to be worshiped and its him alone!! Yet here we see th angels WORSHIPING HIM, the SON!! God himself Calling him GOD, And he was Lord who laid the foundations of the earth and the Heavens were the work of HIS(son) hands.