Why do many repeatedly make the statement?

Question

that Christmas has nothing to do with Christ and is a pagan holiday??? Yes, we know it wasn't the exact date of His birth, and that pagans celebrated on that day. Jesus was probably born around the 1st of October.

But yes it does have to do with Christ. Christians celebrate it because it is His birthday. Would it make you feel better if we changed the date we celebrate Christmas since it seems to REALLY bother you.??

Exactly where did I say I was more special than anyone else. Yes, other religions are in play. What does that have to do with my question at all?!?!?

Please answer the question.

Answer 1

"But yes it does have to do with Christ. Christians celebrate it because it is His birthday. Would it make you feel better if we changed the date we celebrate Christmas since it seems to REALLY bother you.??"

Who does it seem to bother?

The only people I see bothered about Christmas are the Christians. The rest of us celebrate it as the family-and-friends holiday that it is. You Christians can celebrate it as Jesus' birth if you want, but stop whining about how the rest of us celebrate it.

Answer 2

If he was born either in the spring or the fall (really, the debate rages on)... then how exactly is it considered "celebrating his birthday" on Dec 25th? Do you celebrate your birthday several months before or after the actual date? No.

It is celebrated on that day because the early Christian church was combating the pagan winter celebrations. They took not only the general time of year, but many of the traditions from the pagans as well. If Jesus ever did exist, whenever his actual date of birth may be, December 25th is a pagan holiday *totally* hijacked by the Christian church in an attempt to promote and spread their new religion.

That is why so many repeatedly make the statement that "Christmas has nothing to do with Christ and is a pagan holiday"

Answer 3

Pagans don't celebrate Christmas. They celebrate Yule, which is the Winter Soltice and it falls (this year) on Dec 21/22
Socially it blends with the Christian Christmas holiday and there is all the usual tree trimming, feasting, gift giving, yule logging, etc.

They are not celebrating the birth of the son of God, but that of the SUN, the son of the Goddess. This is why the exact date may not be the same every year as the Sabbats follow the waxing and waning of the Sun to form the Great Wheel of the Year.

So, if you're a Christan, the holiday is about Jesus - if you're not then it is not.

Blessed Be!

Answer 4

The problem with Christmas is not only in the date.

The entire concept is pagan. The early Christians did not celebrate their birthdays. The things people do on Christmas (the gift giving, the decorated tree, Santa Claus/ Father Christmas/ Grandfather Frost, the elves, the nativity scene with errors in it, the gluttony and alcohol abuse) have NOTHING to do with Christ.

Adding CHRIST to it is just like sugar-coating a cyanide pill- does not change a thing!!!

Answer 5

I don't see a problem with people celebrating all of the different December holidays at the same time. If it means the birth of Christ to you, that's fine. It's also fine if it just means a time to celebrate with family...be it in the tradition of Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Winter Solstice, Christmas, or just because it's fun to buy presents and lie to your kids about a stealthy fat guy who just thinks they're cool (i.e. commercialism).
I have pointed out the pagan roots of the holiday season before, but only in response to people who seem to feel that the holiday only belongs within their belief system. That's offensive to me. December is a time of year when lots of people are in a good mood, and whatever causes that is a good thing, if you ask me.

I hope it's okay with you if I wish you a happy holiday season.

Answer 6

The first evidence of the feast is from Egypt. About A.D. 200, Clement of Alexandria says that certain Egyptian theologians "over curiously" assign, not the year alone, but the day of Christ's birth, placing it on 25 Pachon (20 May) in the twenty-eighth year of Augustus. [Ideler (Chron., II, 397, n.) thought they did this believing that the ninth month, in which Christ was born, was the ninth of their own calendar.] Others reached the date of 24 or 25 Pharmuthi (19 or 20 April). With Clement's evidence may be mentioned the "De paschæ computus", written in 243 and falsely ascribed to Cyprian , which places Christ's birth on 28 March, because on that day the material sun was created. But Lupi has shown that there is no month in the year to which respectable authorities have not assigned Christ's birth. Clement, however, also tells us that the Basilidians celebrated the Epiphany, and with it, probably, the Nativity, on 15 or 11 Tybi (10 or 6 January). At any rate this double commemoration became popular, partly because the apparition to the shepherds was considered as one manifestation of Christ's glory, and was added to the greater manifestations celebrated on 6 January; partly because at the baptism-manifestation many codices wrongly give the Divine words as sou ei ho houios mou ho agapetos, ego semeron gegenneka se (Thou art my beloved Son, this day have I begotten thee) in lieu of en soi eudokesa (in thee I am well pleased), read in Luke 3:22. Abraham Ecchelensis quotes the Constitutions of the Alexandrian Church for a dies Nativitatis et Epiphaniæ in Nicæan times; Epiphanius quotes an extraordinary semi-Gnostic ceremony at Alexandria in which, on the night of 5-6 January, a cross-stamped Korê was carried in procession round a crypt, to the chant, "Today at this hour Korê gave birth to the Eternal"; John Cassian records in his "Collations", written 418-427, that the Egyptian monasteries still observe the "ancient custom"; but on 29 Choiak (25 December) and 1 January, 433, Paul of Emesa preached before Cyril of Alexandria, and his sermons , show that the December celebration was then firmly established there, and calendars prove its permanence. The December feast therefore reached Egypt between 427 and 433.

Answer 7

Umm proof that it is actually Jesus's birthday? Because all bible scholars and theologians all agree he wasn't born in December.

The ONLy reason it has to do with Jesus was because this is when the Church determined to adapt yet another holiday, so they took the ACTUAL birthday of another religious figure and plopped Jesus's birthday on top.

It was just another way to get those heathenistic folks into church- this was in the years before they started using fear as a tactic.

Look it up. Basic church history.

Basically, it is NOW a holiday for EVERYONE - but it wasn't really his birthday.

EDIT - what's so funny about a picture of the POpe dead?

Answer 8

Christians celebrate it because that is when the Romans declared it would be, so that they could gain membership from Pagans.

If my family wanted to celebrate my birthday the same day as my mothers because it was "more convenient" for everyone, I'd still appreciate it, but I would more so be offended that they couldn't just forgo everyone being there and just celebrate it on its real date.

Answer 9

There is some paganism concerning Christmas. But I say its no big deal to those of us who truly love Jesus . We have every right to celebrate the birth of our blessed Savior. Just because we choose to have a Christmas tree and exchange a few gifts out of love for each other does not make us pagan. We must never lose sight of the most important part of Christmas . Jesus Christ! Thank you Lord Jesus for everything you have done for all mankind. Blessed be your holy name now and for evermore. Merry Christmas to all!!!

Answer 10

Christians really do have the right to lay claim on this holiday. It is a Christian holiday that incorporated pagan traditions. But the entire point the holiday of CHRISTMAS being created was to celebrate the birth of Christ, period. That is the meaning and definition of the holiday known as Christmas.

If you choose to celebrate Christmas for your own diff reasons that is your right, but you dont have the right to change the meaning or definition of the holiday known as Christmas.

And before pagans jump down my throat, christians didnt change the meaning of any of your holidays. They just took some of your traditions. Pagans were still celebrating their own SEPERATE holidays but pagans never ever celebrated a holiday known as Christmas. It was a brand new holiday created by Christians.

Christmas isnt a holiday that started as one thing and gradually changed into another. Its entire creation was to celebrate the birth of Christ. The pagan holidays are seperate holidays completely. And if atheists or non christians choose to celebrate Christmas as a secular holiday, that is no big deal, but accept the fact that if you search any dictionary, encyclopedia, and even the internet for the definition of Christmas, it will be that it is a Christian holiday meant to celebrate the birth of Christ. Just because you dont celebrate it for that reason doesnt mean the definition or meaning of the holiday suddenly changes.



sometimes when I am busy or my friends and family are busy on my actual bday I celebrate my bday on a day other than my actual bday
the argument that the 25th isnt Christ's actual bday is really really reaching because everyone knows it wasnt his bday, but a representative day to celebrate his bday. The fact that it is not his actual bday does not lessen the signifigance of his birth