Do you cry on 10-11 Muharram?

Question

I don't cry the way Shias cry but certainly I get sad,really sad and tears does fall down by remembering that time. Its a great pain to all muslims, but only they were given the strength to face them. We normal people can't even imagine to be that powerful. May peace be upon all of them.

Please correct me if M wrong anywhere.

The event marks the anniversary of the Battle of Karbala when Imam Husayn ibn Ali, a grandson of Muhammad the founder of Islam, and a Shia Imam, was killed by the forces of the second Ummayad caliph Yazid I.

No Offense, but the way Shias do mourning and all, I'm completely against it. It is not even allowed in Islam. But Remembering that event is painful, and def. makes me sad.

@ Obaidullah.... Now this is absolutely wrong and prohibited in Islam. No Offense but this is really not allowed.
I get sad by remembering that day and pain which is Allowed in Islam. By remembering such events we give our memories a revision of the sacrifices of lives, for the sake of Islam. And they were not the ordinary people, but Ehlal Bait.

Answer 1

And do you laugh and weep not,

Holy Quran

At a place called al-Thalabiyya Imam Hussein (AS) said to a man he met: "By Allah! Had I met you in Medina, I would have shown you the marks of Gabriel's revalation at our house, and his descent upon my Grandfather (SAW). O' brother of the Kufans! The foutainhead of Knowledge is surely with us. Do they have knowledge while we are ignorant? This will never be."

The Messenger of Allah(S.A.W) wept on the death of his son Ibrahim.

The following narration has been mentioned in Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Sunan Abi Dawood and Sunan Ibne Majah:

Anas bin Malik reported that: The Messenger of Allah(S.A.W) entered the room and we accompanied him... And Ibrahim breathed his last. The eyes of Allah's Messenger(S.A.W) were filled with tears. Abdur Rehman Ibne Auf said: 'You are weeping, O Messenger of Allah(S.A.W)'. He(S.A.W) replied: "Ibne Auf, This is mercy". Then he(S.A.W) said:

"Oureyes shed tears and our hearts are filled with grief, but we do not say anything except that by which Allah is pleased. O, Ibrahim we are sorrowful due to your separation."

And it is mentioned in Sunan Ibne Majah that: Anas Ibne Malik says: When Ibrahim the son of the Prophet(S.A.W) died, he(S.A.W) said: "Do not shroud him till I have looked at him."

Then he came forward in misery and wept.

In Sunan Tirmizi it is recorded from Jabir Ibne Abdulla Ansari that:

The Messenger of Allah(S.A.W) held the hand of Abdur Rehman bin Auf and took him to Ibrahim, his son, when Ibrahim was in his last moments. The Messenger of Allah(S.A.W) took him in his lap and began to weep. Abdur Rehman bin Auf said: 'You are weeping? And you had yourself prohibited weeping?' The Messenger of Allah(S.A.W) replied: 'No, but I had prohibited two kinds of cries of foolish and sinful people:

The cry at the time of a calamity, and tearing at the face and the collar. And the second is crying like Shaitan.

The Messenger of Allah(S.A.W) wept for his Uncle Hamza(R.A).

The books Tabaqat Ibne Saad, Maghazi of Waqidi and Musnad Ahmed Hanbal mention the following tradition:

After the Battle of Uhud, the Messenger of Allah(S.A.W) passed by a house of Ansars. He heard the wailing of the people for their martyred family members. The eyes of the Messenger of Allah(S.A.W) filled with tears and he began to weep. Then he(S.A.W) said:

"But there is no one to weep for Hamza." When the ladies of the family of Sa'ad bin Muadh and Usayd bin Huzayr al-Ashhal returned they told them to go and weep for Hamza, the
uncle of the Prophet(S.A.W). Then from that time to date none of the women of Ansar have wept for their dead ones before weeping upon Hamza(R.A).

The Messenger of Allah(S.A.W) wept for Jafar bin Abi Talib.

A narration recorded in the books of Al Istiab, Usud al-Ghaba, Al Isabah and Ibne Athir etc that:

When Jafar was killed with his companions, the Messenger of Allah(S.A.W) came to his house and summoned his children. Then he consoled them up and there were tears in his eyes. Asma, the wife of Jafar said: May my parents sacrificed for you, you are crying? Shall I tell you about Jafar and his companions?

"Yes", he replied the Messenger of Allah(S.A.W), "I am very sorrowful today."

Then Asma called and the women gathered, and Fatima(S.A) entered weeping and wailing, "O Uncle!".

The Messenger of Allah(S.A.W) said: "A brave one like Jafar deserves to be wept upon."

The Messenger of Allah(S.A.W) wept for his mother at her grave.

Many books of traditions like Sahih Muslim, Musnad Ahmed Hanbal, Sunan Abi Dawood, Sunan Nasai and Sunan Ibne Majah mentioned the following tradition:

Abu Huraira says: "The Prophet(S.A.W) visited the grave of his mother and wept and made others weep too."

The Messenger of Allah (S.A.W.) wept for his grandson, Hussain (A.S.) on various occasions.

The first narration quoted by us is recorded in Mustadrakul Sahihayn, History of Ibne Asakir and Maqtal of Khwarizmi, other books also mention this incident Ummul Fazl the daughter of Harith came to the Messenger of Allah(S.A.W) and said: "O Messenger of Allah(S.A.W) I had a dream in which I saw that a piece of your flesh flew off and fell into my lap. The Messenger of Allah(S.A.W) told her, "You have seen something good, by the will of Allah, Fatima will give birth to a child and you will be present in the house."

Later Fatima(S.A) gave birth to Hussain(A.S) and Ummul Fazl was present as the Prophet(S.A.W) had predicted. She placed Hussain(A.S) in the lap of the Prophet(S.A.W),

She said:

"Thus when I saw the Messenger of Allah(S.A.W) that his eyes were filled with tears. I said,

'O Messenger of Allah(S.A.W), may my parents be sacrificed for you, why are you weeping?'.

He(S.A.W) replied, 'Jibraeel came to me and informed me that my people will soon murder this son of mine.'

I asked, 'This son?'.

'Yes', he(S.A.W) replied, 'And he gave me the red dust of his grave.'

Al Hakim says, This is an authentic hadith according to the standards of Bukhari and Muslim but they have not included it in their collections."

The Messenger of Allah(S.A.W) told Umar not to prohibit weeping

The books of Sunan Nasai, Sunan Ibne Majah and Musnad Ibne Hanbal record the following narration:

Salma binte Azraq reports that Abu Huraira said: Someone of the family of the Messenger of Allah(S.A.W) died. The women gathered and began to weep upon the death. Umar stood up and refrained them from weeping. The Messenger of Allah(S.A.W) said: Do not stop them, Umar, because the eyes weep and the heart is sorrowful and it has been only a short while (since the calamity). And in Musnad Ahmed Hanbal:

From Wahab bin kaysani, from Muhammad bin Umar that he informed him:

Salma Ibne Azrak was sitting with Abdullah Ibne Umar in the market place when a bier passed and people were weeping on it. When Abdullah Ibne Umar restrained them from weeping, Salma Ibne Azraq told him; Do not say that, because I have witnessed my father say that he heard from Abu Huraira that a women from the family of Marwan died and Marwan told his women not to weep upon her. Abu Huraira told him not to restrain them as he himself had witnessed the incident when the Messenger of Allah(S.A.W) told Umar not to send away the women who were weeping upon the dead. Moreover, the Messenger of Allah(S.A.W) had said: "Call them back, son of Khattab, for surely the soul is sorrowful and the eyes weep and it is a fresh incident."

He said, "Did you not hear him say that?". "Yes", he replied, "The Almighty and His Messenger are more knowledgable."

We can safely conclude that the traditions reported by the second caliph and his son, as regards the prohibition of weeping, are faulty.

Doubtlessly, weeping due to the fear of death, weeping upon the dead and upon their graves is from the practices of the Messenger of Allah(S.A.W). It is his Sunnat. One who weeps upon Imam Hussain(A.S.) has actually followed the sunnat of the Holy Prophet(S.A.W).

Answer 2

crying is a natural thing for a person. the story of imam hussein is such a great story of sacrifice and it will bring tears in anyone's eyes.

but i agree with you... that the shiites take the matter a little too far. crying is okay but the other things that they do is the ones that i strongly disagree with.

the way they cry (women and men both), slapping their faces and beating their chest and shouting out things like "oh why did this happen" and "oh Imam where have you gone", this is completely not allowed in islam according to the ahadith of our prophet.

'matam' or hitting oneself to cause pain is haram according to Quran as the muslims are told not to do something that would cause injury to your body. and here in pakistan (i dont know if this happens outside of pakistan) the shiites not only beat their body with their own fists but also make use of blades and daggers on their body to draw blood. in my opinion, such acts do not portay one's griefs about some event because Islam teaches us to be steadfast and patient.

there are some other issues as well but i think i have said enough to answer your question.

may Allah show everyone the right path and give us the strength to follow it and help us break the chain of such unIslamic traditions.

Answer 3

as muslims we are encourage (sunat) to fast on either 9 &10 or 10 & 11 of Muharram. we are to ask for forgiveness from Allah swt. be extra kind to orphaned kids

Answer 4

Actually, i do. I cant help not to. I got to the mosque and they tell the story about the prophets family and how they died a horrible death, every muharram...and its very very sad. Youre right some people take it too far with the crying, and i witnessed that when i went to the middle east. I guess its another cultural thing that degrades us in front of everyone.

Answer 5

yeach we should read more Quran in that month - but shia and sunni thing is not allowed call yourself a Muslim who says what the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said and he said i follow what prophet ibrahim (islam) said and all the other prophet the way Allah (swt) wants me im that - can't go wrong - i know muslims pirs and they call themself Muslims only and they said to stop that - and here in my area us muslims brothers shia and sunni have stopped this - we are what the prophet said - read Quran it says you are Muslims -

Answer 6

As Salamu Alaykum,

I don't know what that day was. Could you give some detail before I answer? . . . please.

Ma'a Salamah

Answer 7

Its actually 9 and 10 of Muharram... Tasoo'a (9) and Ashoora (10)...

I'm a Shiat... so of course I do... I also keep this as my computer's background...
http://www.redtears.co.uk/images/muharram%2007.jpg
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Answer 8

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked this question and he replied as follows:

‘Praise be to Allaah, the Lord of the Worlds. Nothing to that effect has been reported in any saheeh hadeeth from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or from his Companions. None of the imaams of the Muslims encouraged or recommended such things, neither the four imaams, nor any others. No reliable scholars have narrated anything like this, neither from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), nor from the Sahaabah, nor from the Taabi’een; neither in any saheeh report or in a da’eef (weak) report; neither in the books of Saheeh, nor in al-Sunan, nor in the Musnads. No hadeeth of this nature was known during the best centuries, but some of the later narrators reported ahaadeeth like the one which says “Whoever puts kohl in his eyes on the day of ‘Aashooraa’ will not suffer from eye disease in that year, and whoever takes a bath (does ghusl) on the day of ‘Aashooraa’ will not get sick in that year, etc.” They also narrated reports concerning the supposed virtues of praying on the day of ‘Aashooraa’, and other reports saying that on the day of ‘Aashooraa’ Adam repented, the Ark settled on Mount Joodi, Yoosuf returned to Ya’qoob, Ibraaheem was saved from the fire, the ram was provided for sacrifice instead of Ismaa’eel, and so on. They also reported a fabricated hadeeth that is falsely attributed to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), which says, “Whoever is generous to his family on the day of ‘Aashooraa’, Allaah will be generous to him for the rest of the year.”

Answer 9

No..

We should worship nothing besides Allaah Alone, and that we should worship Him in the manner that He has prescribed, not by means of bid’ah or reprehensible innovations.

Righteous deeds are those which are loved by Allaah and His Messenger, those which are prescribed in Islam and in the Sunnah. Thus ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) used to say in his du’aa’: “O Allaah, make all of my deeds righteous and make them purely for Your sake, and do not let there be any share for anyone or anything else in them.”

Answer 10

No but I'm sad of something.
I'm sad seeing the Shias, my brothers and sisters in Islam, deluded from the path of Jannah.
They modified for their own purpose.
Astaghfirullah.

May Allah S.W.T show us all the true path.
May Allah S.W.T guide us all.

Answer 11

I am a muslim so i will not cry. maybe shias will but they are another sect (another religion)