Mathematical codes in the Torah, biblical prophesies... can anyone attack or defend these claims?

Question

"that guy drew" gave the following answer to one of my questions... can anyone offer some thoughts or facts about this?
"there are codes in the torah, despite virtually impossible mathematical odds. the odds of this happening were so slim that even the US pentagon experimented with it, because of the jewish tradition that states that all the secrets of the universe are written within these codes. the fibonaci sequence appears all throughout nature, as well as in the book of joshua, despite virtually impossible mathematical odds. these things simply don't appear in other ancient sacred texts.

the torah foretold the 1947 execution of nazi officers during the jewish holiday of purim in exacting detail, along with specific dates. the prophet isaiah prophesied the crucifixion 400 years before the method was invented by the persians, and 700 years before it was used on Jesus by the romans.

Jesus fulfilled 48 major and 61 minor messianic prophecies, despite vitually impossi... we know this to be true because there is no ancient text with more manuscript support than the new testament. we know the synoptic gospels in particular to be accurate because of the importance of accuracy in ancient jewish oral traditions, and because of the writings of secular historians of the same time period, which only confirm the synoptic gospels."

Answer 1

Shrug. The Torah also says to divine the future from such 'codes' is witchcraft. It's a Kabbalah thing, I don't really know whether it's true or not, and it wouldn't matter very much to me if it was or wasn't. Plus, you can do the same thing with basically any book of the same size. They did the same with Moby Dick.

Peace

Answer 2

The Bible Code stuff is nonsense. From the first chapter of Moby dick, someone worked out that the world would end in 2005. There are only so many individual letters; put enough of them together and 'encoded' words will always start to appear.

With such a large number of words in the English language, it's statistically unlikely that any of them will be found together in any text. But words are found together the whole time. So the 'mathematical odds' thing is nonsense.

One more proof that the Bible Code is bogus: in the book 'The Bible Code 2', one of the leading members of the Bible Code movement confidently predicted that Yasser Arafat would be assassinated by Hamas. He died of natural causes.

As for Jesus fulfilling Bible prophecy, here are some requirements of the Jewish messiah that he didn't fulfil:

1) Lead Jewish armies to victory in battle
2) End war forever
3) Make the whole world speak one language
4) Make the whole world follow the law of the Torah

Answer 3

the Torah codes are very interesting and deserve further study. I am not going to defend or trash that right now because people allot smarter than I are working on it.

I will say that allot of people like to ignore the fact that Hebrew can be translated in many different ways, unlike English, which would allow for a reduction of the odds.

But even with this it is interesting.

Answer 4

the bible code is pure crap.

the guy behind it, when challenged that code could be found in other books, said that finding the same ELS code in moby dick that predicted the assasination of martin luthor king jr.

AND gave specific details about the assasination of yizhak rabin, including the assasin's name, the school he went to and the REASON for the assasination- has actually not only repeated what the alleged bible code claims, but it gives GREATER DETAIL than any so called "prediction" of the bible with this methodology.

the responce to finding more detail and the same thing in moby dick: "its nonsense" without any backup or proof- typical theist responce.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_code#Criticism

Answer 5

The number 12. The 12 tribes of Israel. The 12 gods of almost every pagan pantheon. Nine planets of the known Solar System, plus the moon, then the sun, and one other planet nicknamed the "Lord" by the ancient Sumerians and Akkadians. The 12th member of our Solar System is Nibiru. It comes around every 3,600 years or 1 sar, causing asteroid and meteor showers, largescale earthquakes and Anunnaki (Anachim) landings. The Anunnaki were mistaken as gods. They have 12 leaders corresponding to their knowedge of 12 prominent members in our SolarSystem.

Answer 6

There are not even 30 prophesies related to the Messiah, so where did you get even 48?

Answer 7

This is pure garbage. The only thing at amazing about this is that people are actually gullible enough to believe it.