No archeological proof of Hebrews being slaves in Egypt?

Question

In the early 19th Century a papyrus, dating from the end of the Middle Kingdom, was found in Egypt. It was taken to the Leiden Museum in Holland and interpreted by A.H. Gardiner in 1909. The complete papyrus can be found in the book Admonitions of an Egyptian from a heiratic papyrus in Leiden. The papyrus describes violent upheavals in Egypt, starvation, drought, escape of slaves (with the wealth of the Egyptians), and death throughout the land. The papyrus was written by an Egyptian named Ipuwer and appears to be an eyewitness account of the effects of the Exodus plagues from the perspective of an average Egyptian. http://ohr.edu/yhiy/article.php/838

http://www.anchorstone.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=155&Itemid=53

Answer 1

Yes, much archaeological evidence exists to support the Biblical story of Israel's captivity, enslavement, and exodus from Egypt.

I checked out your links as well as some others. I've provided another one that you might want to look at.

The skeptics argument that there is little or no archaeological evidence to support Biblical events is ludicrous. There is a willing ignorance among atheists that prohibits them from examining the evidence and coming to a logical conclusion.

Answer 2

wow, it took from 1909 until now for someone to say something. what a load!

The event was supposedly around 1500 BCE and Moses was around 1400 BCE. so if the bible is true and without error then the document has to be a fake cuz the event with moses happened many years later, according to your bible.

I doubt the papyrus is legit. the christian church is notorious for creating its own history and manufacturing evidence to support its 'proof'. There is no proof of who wrote the document or that it is legit or what is found written on it is true, it could be a repeat of what someone heard. Considering the pharaoh's line did not end with the exodus, the document has to be false as it is written to support a fictitious event.. The document is false like everything that comes out of the church.

Answer 3

lol. Not proof of anything. One scientist interpreting it to mean the Exodus, means nothing at all. But you already know that, don't you? You understand the scientific process right? That such things must be peer reviewed and supported by further evidence in order to take it as proof that something happened? That such things as droubt, and the escape of slaves have happened in all the lands of the world? That nowhere does it mention them as Hebrews? You realize, of course, that every land held slaves and that sometimes they revolted, right?

But you know all that right?

Sorry, you can't say thats the Exodus. It doesn't work that way.

Btw, its a damned poem. Have you not noticed that poetry isn't the best way to judge a circumstance that it talks about? Poetry tends to be.... well.... poetic. Poems are put in a way that will pull an emotional reaction from you. Truth has nothing to do with poetry.

Answer 4

Nothing is always as it seems. This particular document was actually an Egyptian Apocalypticist's view of what would happen if the rampant immorality he saw in Egypt didn't stop. It is NOT, in fact, an example of the events of Exodus in the Bible.

For a good treatment, here's a good discussion of some of the scholarship done on this papyrus fragment.

http://theboard.byu.edu/index.php?area=viewall&id=22369

Answer 5

In act, the Torah, and Bible IS evidence - that's even usual in courts of regulation. although, it extremely is one important difficulty that isn't (yet) supported by applying different evidence. There are some good reasons - how many writings are there on your community newspaper, or historic comments on the those that take your rubbish to the unload? Or, that artwork on the city sewage device? probable few, or, often possibly, none. nicely, the Jews have been slaves, so, even below the persons i discussed. all of us know approximately historic Egypt often interior the monuments that have been left at the back of. The tombs would coach existence scenes, yet, the writing is all with reference to the kings, or important human beings depicted. there is almost no longer something with reference to the slaves. E.g., it became assumed that the pyramids have been outfitted by applying slaves till in basic terms approximately 10 years in the past, while the employees villages have been got here upon. So, even the persons who outfitted the Pyramids have been unknown till very these days, and powerful little is frequently used approximately them, regardless of being craftsmen, etc, engaged on such extensive, and important initiatives. So, how would desire to we be predicted to nicely known approximately slaves? there is extra. Paper in basic terms lasts some hundred years, at maximum. And, even then, it must be saved top. Paper from 3 or 4000 years in the past is long long previous. The evidence we've comes from carved stone, or, maybe clay pills - people who have not broken, or crumbled by applying now. The Egyptians in basic terms made no monuments to slaves, nor recorded something approximately them in stone. Which in basic terms is clever. the possibilities of finding something approximately any slaves in historic Egypt is extraordinarily narrow, and that includes the Hebrews. the only human beings this became important to became the Hebrews themselves, who carried the story with them, and at last wrote it down.

Answer 6

Has the papyrus been carbon dated? Where was it found? What were the circumstances around the discovery?

What else was there?

In other words, has it been researched by scholars and determined to be authentic or is it a fraud?

Telling me what was written on a piece of paper, found by some person less than a 100 years ago, tells me absolutely nothing about the actual "find"....

Answer 7

Thanks for the links. I am enthusiastically enjoying the squirming of the non believers as yet another discovery fades away the lack of SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE of there being no God.

Once all this is nailed down, what you have brought and what was revealed on the TV show Exodus:Decoded by Simcha Jacobovici's ' The Naked Archaeologist ' , the finding of the seal of Joseph, and the writings upon the mine walls in Egypt that were clearly not Egyptian, yet had Hebrew markings.

I believe that the Hyksos were the Hebrews, and now that they have been found, the convincing and reputations must be brought to light.

Since the Atheists and doubters in general told that Ninheva was never found a while back, and said that it meant that the Bible wasn't true, when it was found they shifted the focus from that to this. And now we have this. Now what are they going to shift their doubt to?

Maybe the Noah story, or the Jonah story will gain importance top them, and they will conveniently forget their doubt because of the story of the Hebrews in Egypt is now provable! lol

It is against the nature of man to accept that God is. It takes God to convince us sinning men of anything to do with Him. I like that.

Answer 8

Yes, this scroll exists, however it goes on to talk about how the Pharaoh causing these actions and doesn't mention the Hebrews one way or another. This, I'm fairly certain, is the same scroll that "The Exodus Decoded" used quite unsuccessfully in its dismal attempt at stringing together unrelated facts.

This scroll would place the Exodus around 600 years before any sign of the Hebrews appeared.

By the way, the proto-Semantic writings are dated to 100 to 200 years after this scroll.

Answer 9

That's not archaeological evidence.

Also, having now read a good chunk of it in translation, it seems there is a lot not in exodus and a lot in exodus not in it.

Answer 10

You know, I heard about that.
There was this documentary also called "Exodus: Decoded" that said that the Exodus has been dated wrongly by historians and archaeologists alike and that it probably happened not under Ramses, but under another Pharaoh in and around 1500 BC. There is also evidence in hieroglyphics that foreign, Semitic peoples inhabited Egypt at one point.