Don't you agree that being born again is being born of God, born of His Spirit & cleansed by His blood?

Question

Not by mans will but by the will of God?

We must be born of water= made flesh & we must be born from above= born spiritual.

Being born of water means being born into this world a human. Not water baptism.

When a person is born again, born of His Spirit, then the anointing, the Spirit is with this person & will fill this person. When the filling of the Holy Spirit happens, this is baptized in His Spirit. But the born spiritually is the new born spirit in the persons soul. The body & mind isn't reborn yet. That won't happen till resurrection day.

Doesn't this mean that when we are water baptized that we aren't born again a new flesh yet, that it represents dieing to the old man flesh & washed clean in His blood & raised up with Chirst, new spiritual person?


Doesn't it represents the death & resurrection of Christ, & we are baptized into His death & raised up in His Resurrection?. And we will raise up like Him on resurrection day?

FatherK, Believing & doing an act of faith is receiving salvation. Sometimes this is water baptism & sometimes this is confessing with ones mouth (like the thief did on the cross). Water baptism isn't required to be born of God. But an honest heart & confession to God is. The confessing in faith is an act of faith also.

Lazar, How many people do you know, when at the age of accountabily, chose Christ? 'Many 'choose the wide gate that leads to death. It is a good thing that Jesus shed His blood for remission of sins for 'many.

So? Many go to heaven. Only because of His redeeming blood.

Lazar, Look at the bright side. At least you aren't luke warm.

Jesus said that hell was prepared for the devil & his messengers; so that would be the people who are just out to do the devils destructive work. But they can come to repentence too. If they repent before it is too late.

Pendolino, You aren't born of God because of what your parents had you do as a baby. Every child born into this world is a child of God. But when we rebel against Gods Word & Truth, then we die spiritually (hardened conscience). Jesus said that to see the Kingdom of God you must be born again. Becaue our sins separate us from God. The Pharasees of Jesus time, Jesus told them their father was the devil. Because they were scheming how to kill Jesus. See, a murderers father is satan. They aren't children of God. Unless a murderer comes to repentants & Savior and confesses Jesus Christ ones Lord & believing in ones heart the resurrection (and is born again); that murder will go to hell fire when the murderer dies.

Iwantu2 , Baptism is either the baptism of repentance like John the Baptist did. Repent & be baptized & prepare the way of the Lord. Or baptism is dipped in water representing the old man dies (washed in His blood) & the new man in Christ lives. Then there is Jesus'baptism' that is He baptizes in the Holy Ghost & fire (Matthew3:11). Jesus baptizes with the Holy Ghost (John1:33).


Romans6:3,4 Know ye not that so many of us were baptized into Jesus Christ, were baptized into His death? Therefore we are buried with Him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also shoud walk in the newness of life.

Answer 1

Blood baths aren't my idea of cleanliness.

I'm different that way.

Answer 2

"Don't you agree that being born again is being born of God, born of His Spirit & cleansed by His blood?"
Yes, but only if you believe what Jesus said. If you don't, then you believe in something else. Jesus said that if you believe in Him you will not be condemned. In accordance to the Old Testament Laws, blood was necessary to shed for the remission of sins. Jesus fulfilled that Law by becoming the propitiation for sin.

"Not by mans will but by the will of God?"
Yes, Jesus became the focus for faith. He said that none come to Him except that the Father draws them in.
( John 6:44 )

"We must be born of water= made flesh & we must be born from above= born spiritual. Being born of water means being born into this world a human. Not water baptism."
That's right. Many can read John 3 and miss what Jesus is talking about. But for those who are taught properly with the Spirit of God, the truth is determinable because the Spirit of God gives counsel to those God loves.

"Doesn't this mean that when we are water baptized that we aren't born again a new flesh yet, that it represents dieing to the old man flesh & washed clean in His blood & raised up with Chirst, new spiritual person?"
Hopefully, those who are baptized know this. Otherwise it means whatever they are told, since people being first baptized by water are told all sorts of things of what it is for and what it means. What you said about 'representing ' certain things, I would agree.

This is what I've been saying about it:
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-7rEUJP4lbqSbntikbR2aAw--?cq=1&p=15

"Doesn't it represents the death & resurrection of Christ, & we are baptized into His death & raised up in His Resurrection?. And we will raise up like Him on resurrection day?"
Yes. It's an act of Faith. Like what we should be doing when we live and act in God's direction, nothing doubting, but in the capacity of what God directs us to do.

Answer 3

You are mostly right. In Romans 12:2 we are told that we are transformed by the renewing of our minds. In Ephesians4:22-24 we are told how to accomplish this. First we must Choose to let go of old ways (easier said than done), and then we are to let the Spirit change our way of thinking.
Some denominations will tell you that baptism is essential for salvation and they quote scriptures to back up that statement. I for one go back to John 3:16, Jesus himself said 'For God sol loved the world, that he sent his only son so that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. No mention of baptism there. When we are baptized we are telling the world that we have joined the family of God.

Answer 4

Due to relativism, definitions lose their meaning. Phrases have to be made up now to help "define" an idea that has been lost. An "Evangelist" used to be understood as one that was reformed. Being "Born Again" was used in the 60's to set them apart to emphasize the true gospel, namely the understanding of regeneration. But as time goes by, these definitions lose their meaning also. Even being saved is misunderstood within the realms of Christianity today. Eventually being "reformed" will even be lost, and in order to make people understand what that means, someone will come along in order to emphasize what THAT means... and so on ad infinitum. Perfect example... people are using verses that say "born again" IN them, but those verses do not EXPLAIN what it MEANS.... thus the process of undermining the theological constructs begins and the term looses it's meaning due to lack of proper theological study. Being "Born Again" MEANS that you have been REGENDERATED in order to BELIEVE that Jesus is the CHRIST! 1 John 5:1 Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him. (1 Jn 5:1). You say, fine, that is the RESULT of being born again. And to that I say, you are correct. So what is the "process"? And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules. (Eze 36:26-27). Notice in these two verses that GOD is the one doing them? God begets and God gives you a new heart? THIS is Grace. It is something that is given you and not something you do FOR it. You are SAVED by grace through faith, IT (meaning the salvation, grace AND faith) is a GIFT of God, so that no MAN may boast.

Answer 5

You seem to have taken a very simple, clear concept and made it much more complex than it needs to be.

On the other hand, there is no evidence to support the bible as being accurate about Jesus or any miraculous event, so the point is rather moot.

Answer 6

The Western World got stuck with a very narcissist God that it is no joke! Just think of it! Jesus was crying like crazy actually SWEATING BLOOD not wanting to be crucified! Very few Christians want to admit the sadomasochistic aspect of God the Father's pleasure to have his only Son Jesus Christ delivered and crucified before he even designed the World...

Almost everybody can be a Christian, but only very, very few make it to Heaven...

Matthew 7:13-14 (Jesus said) "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

And of the only FEW WHO FIND the narrow gate not all of them will be able to get in...

Luke 13:23-24 (NIV) Someone asked him, "Lord, are only a few people going to be saved?" He said to them, "Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to.

On top of that you need to hate your own family to follow Jesus!


Matthew 10:34-37 niv
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn
" 'a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
your enemies will be the members of your own household.' "Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves a son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Luke 14:26 (NIV) Jesus Christ said, "If anyone comes to me and does not HATE* (*Greek=miseo=to abhor!) his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters--yes, even his own life--he cannot be my disciple."

Luke 14:33 (NIV) In the same way, any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple.

Mark 10:28-30 (NIV) Peter said to him, "We have left everything to follow you!" "I tell you the truth," Jesus replied, "no one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for me and the gospel will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age [RIGHT NOW!!!] (homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields--and with them, persecutions) and in the age to come, eternal life.

The acid test comes when Jesus finds out that you are neither hot nor cold and pukes you out of his Holy Belly... (Revelation 3:16)

Answer 7

No, you only need to be christened the once and it suffices anyway. Even though I'm atheist the fact that I was christened as a baby qualifies me as a "child of god" (so to speak), so I would get in to mythical heaven as well. My christening entitles me to the same as you (if it existed).

Answer 8

No, I don't agree.

The Ancient Roman festival of Lupercalia and being washed in the blood of a bull is primitive. I'll prefer to take my bathes in water, with lavender bath salts, thank you.

Answer 9

Romans 6:3-4
Explains what Baptism is.

Answer 10

once you believed that JesusChrist is your Lord and Saviour and ask forgiveness sincerely then you are already born again. That's what we call the gift of salvation.
Read Ephesians 2:9-10

Answer 11

Yes, & what you said is confirmed by this:

2 Corinthians 5:17 (New International Version)

17Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!