Tradition equal to the Bible part 2?

Question

Lets try this a different way. The apostles and a few other inspired men wrote what we know as the Bible. Is there any single tradition that the writers of the Bible taught that is not included in the Bible? For instance a letter of Paul saying Mary was sinless? Or writings of John saying the Pope is infallible? Or are all the traditions we can trace specifically to the writers of the Bible in the Bible. Is there any tradition outside the Bible that can be shown was specifically taught by the writers of the Bible?

papa - you started out so good in your response. Then you took a wrong turn and condemned the truth that the Bible teaches.

rhio9 - Forgive me for assuming people would be intelligent enough to understand that I mean traditions in the church. Things such as the assumption of Mary.

Peter Priesthood R&S club 7 - I am not being rude in the least. And I am not saying Pentecostals are better than anyone here. I am saying the Bible should be our guide. You know you seem to not like my questions so why bother answering them?

Excalibur - did Jesus tell them to write. As far as we know He did not. Is the Bible of God? Yes. God inspired the men to write it. But you are not answering my question. Show me where Paul or any apostle taught one single tradition not included in the Bible.

2Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Answer 1

Jesus equates the Scriptures with God’s word (John 10:35). In contrast, when it comes to the religious traditions, He condemns some traditions because they contradict the written word (Mark 7:1-13). Never does Jesus use religious tradition to support His actions or teachings. Before the writing of the New Testament, the Old Testament was the only inspired Scripture. However, there were literally hundreds of Jewish “traditions” recorded in the Talmud (a collection of commentary compiled by Jewish rabbis). Jesus and the apostles had both the Old Testament, and the Jewish tradition. Nowhere in Scripture does Jesus or any of the apostles appeal to the Jewish traditions. In contrast, Jesus and the apostles quote from, or allude to the Old Testament hundreds of time. The Pharisees accused Jesus and the apostles of “breaking the traditions” (Matthew 15:2). Jesus responded with a rebuke, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?” (Matthew 15:3). The manner in which Jesus and the apostles distinguished between the Scriptures and traditions they possessed is an example for the church. Jesus specifically rebukes treating the “commandments of men” as doctrines (Matthew 15:9).

Answer 2

The Bible teaches that we do not need extra-biblical tradition, for the Bible is all we need; it alone can make a Christian “fully competent.” “All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching—for reproof, correction, and training in holiness, so that the man of God may be fully competent and equipped for every good work” (2 Tim. 3:16-17 NAB).

The Roman Catholic Church is apostate because it has subverted the authority of Scripture by clinging to human traditions.

The Bible emphatically condemns the use of tradition as a source of authority because whenever tradition is set up alongside of Scripture, it eventually is placed above Scripture, and is then used to interpret Scripture. This is exactly what happened with Judaism in the days of Christ, and unfortunately what happened in the Roman Catholic Church: tradition and ritual became so important that it became necessary to keep the Bible away from the people. In fact, for centuries it was a mortal sin to possess and read the Bible in one’s own native tongue.

The Bible, the whole Bible and nothing but the Bible must be the standard for faith and life.

Answer 3

The East perspectives the Bible, ecumenical councils, liturgy and icons as crucial components of an indivisible complete, Holy Tradition. Thus liturgy and iconography, for instance, don't seem to be noticeable as simplest instructing gear or worse, ‘ornament’ that may be thrown away. Rather, they're sacramental POINTS OF CONTACT among God and guy, made immediately feasible via God the Son’s fitting guy. An Eastern church has been defined as ‘heaven on this planet’, and that's precisely what it's: a situation wherein heaven and earth meet. Amen!

Answer 4

The Bible grew out of tradition before it was written down.



"I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you" (1 Cor. 11:2).

"Follow the pattern of the sound words which you have heard from me, in the faith and love which are in Christ Jesus; guard the truth that has been entrusted to you by the Holy Spirit who dwells within us" (2 Tim. 1:13-14).

"So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter." (2 Thess. 2:15)

"You, then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus, and what you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also" (2 Tim. 2:1-2).

"First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God" (2 Peter 1:20-21).

"‘Though I have much to write to you, I would rather not use paper and ink, but I hope to come to see you and talk with you face to face, so that our joy may be complete" (2 John 12).

I have a question for you too. Did Jesus Christ instruct his disciples to write the New Testament?
Did God the Father instructs the sacred writers to compile their work into a Bible?

Answer 5

Ok, since God is perfect, and the Bible is God's word, how can one possibly think that God would not have put EVERYTHING in the Bible that we are to know, or do, or not do?

That would be just plain stupid to believe such. All humans, other than Jesus Christ, are sinners. There is no other perfect other than Him. This is also stated in the Bible. If Mary were sinless, that would make God, what? Lying? Come on now. Pure silliness. :)

God bless.

Answer 6

The authors of the BOOKS in the Bible didn't record everything that happened.

If the Catholic church had the true priesthood, he would be infallible. For Peter could bind on earth and it was bound in Heaven, Peter could lose on earth and it was loosed in Heaven. And since Peter had successors, known as Pope, then they would also have that power.

Seriously Edge....just stop downing everyone. Do you see me on here making fun, or questioning the Pentecostal church? Because you better be sure YOUR church is true before you start messing with others.

I can come on here and start making fun of Pentecostals in rude ways...but you don't want that...now do you?

Answer 7

A tradition outside the bible? Let's see....."Thanksgiving" comes to mind. That's outside the bible. But your question doesn't make any sense. You asked, "Is there any tradition OUTSIDE THE BIBLE that can be shown was specifically taught by the writers OF THE BIBLE?" So you must be looking for some book written by say, Paul, that talks about the tradition of Thanksgiving, or the tradition of watching "Miracle on 34th Street" every year, or watching "It's A Wonderful Life"....I don't think Paul wrote about that. Let's see, maybe John the Baptist wrote a one-act avant garde play ridiculing the tradition of Halloween, or kissing under the mistletoe. If you can think of any tradition the writers OF THE BIBLE taught that we find OUTSIDE THE BIBLE, let us all in on it.

Answer 8

I believe we must give the authority to the Word of God first, and if we want to do extra things in the name of God we need to be able to back it up with the Bible. Like we think it is a nice thing to baptise babies, but that is not a Biblical concept.

Answer 9

The Catholic Church could not even exist without the Bible. In fact, it uses Scripture as the infallible authority to formulate those very dogmas you mention. Matt: XVI, verses 18-19. (Douay-Rheims version, which was translated from The Latin Vulgate as inspired by God).

Answer 10

Traditions that conflict with truth are like polluted water supplies. We might innocently hold fast to traditions—information, opinions, beliefs, or customs handed down from one generation to the next—that have, in fact, been contaminated by “a witch’s brew” of false, misleading ideas and philosophies. Just like contaminated water, these may cause untold harm—spiritual harm.
Even if we feel that our traditional religious beliefs are based on the Bible, all of us should take the time to examine them carefully.

Today, also, many traditional beliefs are ‘at variance with the very writings of the apostles.’ Christendom has poisoned the waters of truth with numerous demon-inspired ideas, such as the Trinity, hellfire, immortality of the human soul, nationalism, and idolatry. (1 Timothy 4:1-3) History testifies to the spiritual sickness that has overtaken people who fell prey to the demonic teachings that have become the traditional teachings of Christendom.—Compare Isaiah 1:4-7.
Such contaminating of truth has, in fact, been going on from man’s beginning. Satan has continued the process he started in Eden of poisoning people’s minds with lies and deceit. (John 8:44; 2 Corinthians 11:3) As the human family spread throughout the earth following the Flood of Noah’s day, people of all cultures became victims of a deliberate poisoning of the reservoirs of human knowledge with demon-inspired philosophies and ideas.