He told people to pray to god "lead us not to temptation, but deliver us from evil". Is he saying that god does led people to temptation unless we beg him not to? If he was god shouldn't he have known that he does not get involved with our "choice" to do evil? Was he confused? Or just a man with questions like the rest of us?
2007-11-17 13:03:28 · 9 answers · asked by stuck in the middle 2 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Read these answers, you people can't even agree if Jesus was god or not. also you believe that your god created ever thing except evil, one of you said that comes from some other source, another "creater" surly you can't admit that. Jesus may not have been confused but you people sure are. You act as if you know these things about god as if they were facts, there not, it is a matter of faith. You believe, you don't KNOW any thing. Believe what you want but at least be honest with your self, you only know what you believe to be true. Just like the rest of us.
2007-11-17 20:59:35 · update #1
Doesn't God guide us in our lives as long as we play our part in it?
In this case, Jesus Christ sincerely prayed for His Father to lead Him not into temptation.
But that's not saying God leads His people into temptation. Both ourselves and Satan do that. God just wants to help us.
It's like when you move out of the house. Your parent says they are there to help as long as you are there to ask, but they are not necessarily making you go broke. Do you see the similarities?
Oh, and I KNOW that Jesus Christ lives. It's not a belief. I have witnessed for myself.
2007-11-18 13:40:15 · answer #1 · answered by Scott the duckling 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
"Free will" is a category of thought that does not fit well into the Biblical narrative. The Greeks and many later Philosophers regarded it as essential to responsible moral agency, but Jesus and the Apostles frequently spoke as if mankind was not free in critical ways. For example, Jesus said:
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:44.
Due to Adam's sin, whatever freedom we may have had was lost. That's why we were evicted from Eden. Jesus came to draw a group of people to himself. This group would be called the church. Their belief in Him would not be a matter of choice, but of being chosen:
"Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, ..." John 15:16.
If this seems unfair, I don't know what to tell you, other than no, He was not confused, but knew perfectly well that we are slaves to our sin, and needed help to overcome temptation, which is precisely why he came to die in our place. We didn't ask for that. He did it anyway. God does what He wants. His is the only completely "free will" in the universe. Therefore:
"We love him, because he first loved us." 1 John 4:19.
Edit:
Charles, don't be misled by the "fog of war." You are hearing many different viewpoints, but truth is stable, even if we are not. Jesus even said the truth would be obscure to those who rejected his teaching. Opinions we may have, but obeying the Son of God is not optional. If you spend your whole life asking questions you think no one can answer, spare yourself the trouble and do something you consider useful. Otherwise, expect a multiplicity of viewpoints. We are imperfect at best. But you have an obligation before your Creator to do more than just pose others with clever riddles. There is too much at stake for you to waste your time with that. Seek the Truth, and He will find you. Those of us who have experienced His healing do know it is true, even if we are too limited in our epistemological reach to persuade you. Please don't let our limitations become your excuse to stop searching. He is there, and He may be found.
2007-11-17 13:21:47 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Jesus is not God. He is God's Son.
And "lead us not into temptation" is actually something of a mistranslation. It should read "deliver us from temptation", in other words - Help us to face the temptations that come our way.
God does not CAUSE temptations to confront mankind. These come from other sources:
The world around us.
Satan and the demons.
Our own imperfections.
2007-11-17 13:11:02 · answer #3 · answered by eliz_esc 6 · 0⤊ 1⤋
"Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil" (Matthew 6:13) means, Help us not to sin, i.e., not to succumb to temptation, and thereby sin. Jesus implied that everyone, including His Human Self, has tendencies of habit, circumstances of the flesh, and predispositions of circumstances in the world, that will inevitably cause us to sin unless identified and countered by a strength of God's character, that can be claimed in faith as a Promise.
"For in that He Himself hath suffered being tempted, He is able to succour [literally, help] them that are tempted" (Hebrews 2:18). For instance, if I understand that I have a tendency to lose my patience with a certain person in a familiar circumstance, i.e., the "sin which doth so easily beset us" (12:1), then it behooves me to seek by prayerful searching of the Word for a revelation of the LORD's strength of patience, that the Holy Spirit may apply to me, should the circumstance arise yet again.
"A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished" (Proverbs 22:3). Further, Christ Jesus "pleased not Himself" (Romans 15:3), leaving me the example of patience "for our learning" (15:4); thereby, holding forth the opportunity that the "God of patience and consolation [would] grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus" (15:5). This is the anatomy of praying not to be led INTO temptation. "For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an Example, that ye should follow His steps" (1Peter 2:21).
2007-11-17 14:19:37 · answer #4 · answered by Anna P 7 · 0⤊ 1⤋
ok Jesus had no ?'s b/c he was Fully God at the same time as being fully man, (don't ask he how b/c he's God and im human) and God can allow us to be tempted, he doesn't tempt us with things that aren't right. but he can allow us to be tempted. but John 10 says that "he will not let us be tempted beyond what we can bear but w/ the tempation he will also provide a way of escape so that we may be able to endure it." so no Jesus was not confused
2007-11-17 13:12:58 · answer #5 · answered by liv4chapstick 2 · 1⤊ 1⤋
According to my footnotes...it states that "lead" in this verse should have been translated into "Syriac: do not let us enter into temptation." (this is for the non-LDS)
The Joseph Smith translation translates it into: "And suffer us not to be led into temptation ..."
So you see...your premise is incorrect. God HAS given us free will.
2007-11-17 13:11:22 · answer #6 · answered by LDS~Tenshi~ 5 · 2⤊ 1⤋
You need to realize He was speaking to believers that wanted to learn how to pray, & He was instructing them on how to pray. He was not praying, just giving an example. Peace!
2007-11-17 13:15:15 · answer #7 · answered by GREGORIOUSITY 5 · 0⤊ 1⤋
I think temptation is a prerequisite for Christian freewill.
2007-11-17 13:10:49 · answer #8 · answered by Frank B 5 · 0⤊ 1⤋
Jesus is not God only Gods son..........and he did beleive in freewill
2007-11-17 13:07:00 · answer #9 · answered by Thumbs down me now 6 · 1⤊ 2⤋