A question for learned Muslims (or anyone who might know)?

Question

I’m thinking of visiting various parts of the Middle East, and, should the climate of Medina not agree with me, I think I should be prepared, and have some trusty camel urine ready as a cure (in keeping with the directives of the Prophet of Allah [PBUH]). So, where do I find camel urine? Thanks so much!

Bukhari:V7B71N590 "The climate of Medina did not suit some people so the Prophet ordered them to drink camel urine as a medicine."

Answer 1

I think that they sell it bottled in mosques. I have to warn you however, it is not very good (even when you heat it up in the microwave). The only way to really get the full taste (and healing potential from it) is to drink it fresh and warm from the camel's...well, you know. ;)

Sweet


EDIT @ FEED:

Feed, darling! That sure was a windy post! Unfortunately most of it was just that, hot air.

Before I speak of the "science", just let me point out what a mercifull guy that muhammad is (not sadistic in the least bit). Branding peoples' eyes eh? Boy that sounds sadistic and primitive...

Anyway, as far as the science goes. ;)
Were the ill men who did that pregnant? Just curious. ;) That was the only use for camel urine that you pointed out (except of course, the terrible headache), and it seems to me that that wouldn't be a real problem with men.
I guess that just leaves the possibility that they had a headache. Urine was the best cure that the prophet could come up with for a headache?
Secondly sweets, you say that this was a great cure because there was a good substance inside it, WOW! So what, that doesn't make it healthy! There are good substances inside snake crap, that doesn't mean that it is healthy to eat!!
If an isolated substance is healthy in certain amounts, that doesn't mean that drinking/eating small amounts of that substance along with a bunch of poison would be healthy!!
That is why we either isolate or synthetically produce the substance: because it is counter productive to ingest the waste of a mammal! They are getting rid of it for a reason!
Seriously, ask (most)any doctor, they will tell you that it is unhealthy to drink a camel's urine.
Let me make an analogy, if you had a headache, would it make sense to you to drink a cup battery acid in which a tylenol pill has been dissolved? (I'm pretty good at these analogies, eh?) It is a trace of good substance surrounded in poison...just like camel urine.
Put that on your list of cures and take it. ;)



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Mock you? No. It is my philosophy that everything in life has something Sweet below the surface (no matter how hard it is to find)...even camel urine. ;)
If it bothers you though hon, I will refrain from using "sweets" and "darling" in favor of words I trust you won't object to. :)

You say that what he did was a mercy because he could have killed them...isn't that what he did? Cut their hands and feet (off, I notice you did not mention), blinded them, didn't allow anyone to give them water, and left them in the desert! That is a recipe for a long, painfull, sadistic death! There is no mercy in that at all. I think the prophet got a little bent out of shape when they killed his prophet and drove his camels away.
Where do you think the Saudi's of today got such a primitive and barbaric practice? It does not make sense to justify muhammad's actions with the actions of those who follow his example!

About the miracle cure now, you say the reason is because they were dehydrating! Well pardon me, but when you are in a condition that could lead to death because your body is in such a dire need of water, what sense does it make to go drinking a substance that is full of salt??!! (as you yourself said that it was ;))
Surely the prophet new that drinking camel urine would rob the body of water! As you said, camels can survive for a long time without water, that is because they store and CONSERVE it! Their urine contains very LITTLE water at all! It is mostly waste...like excess salt!

I'm sure though that it was a mistranslation, and the prophet was not really that dumb! It must have been that the men were complaining because they were going bald! I hope I remember that 20 years from now!


As for your comments on my analogy, where does it say that it is prohibited?
I will continue with the analogy, if the cup of acid with the tylenol in it is impure and generally unhealthy for you when you are full and well, would it not be just as bad for you when you were dying and starving?

Sorry, that just doesn't fly.

Sweet

Answer 2

I consider every body must be trained tolerance from an early age. I blame church buildings, themselves...I consider areas of worship must educate tolerance. I believe you...they're ALL lovely religions, and despite the fact that I totally admit I am a Christian, I have NOTHING however upmost recognize for Jews, Muslims, and so on. I have peers of many faiths and really actually, whilst push involves shove, I think we ALL think within the identical God...we simply have extraordinary interpretations, and so on. I have continually mentioned, I was once born right into a Christian household, hence; I'm a christian. But, If I were born right into a Jewish household, I'd be a Jew...and identical with muslim. Of direction you'll difference religions alongside the best way, however let's accept it, such a lot do not. OK...went off discipline a bit of. It could be a excellent international if every body had been tolerant of one another, mainly in which faith is worried. But, sadly, I do not see that ever taking place. At least I'm at peace with how I consider closer to others. :) well query..thank you for asking!

Answer 3

Gag! I'll stick with modern cures thank you!

But I'd suggest finding a camel and collecting fresh from the source.

Answer 4

The profit of Allah ( peace on him ) wasn't any too gall darn schmart . If he wanted to drink urine , or hisn , or hern , or mine , that's his own business . I'll let mine sink down into the sand where he can't get it .

Answer 5

peoples eyes and limbs are worth less then a heard of runaway camels. intresting.

Answer 6

ill stick to modern medicine over ancient home remedies

Answer 7

Ask most any intercity cab driver. I suspect they bathe in it.

Answer 8

again your blaging it - reamber you would get proper done for this - i wonder what dreams you have when sleeping

Answer 9

Before I even say anything, let me point out the full Hadith to everyone:
Narrated Abu Qilaba: "Anas said, "Some people of 'Ukl or 'Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them. So the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) camels and to drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they went as directed and after they became healthy, they killed the shepherd of the Prophet and drove away all the camels. The news reached the Prophet early in the morning and he sent (men) in their pursuit and they were captured and brought at noon. He then ordered to cut their hands and feet (and it was done), and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron, They were put in 'Al-Harra' and when they asked for water, no water was given to them." Abu Qilaba said, "Those people committed theft and murder, became infidels after embracing Islam and fought against Allah and His Apostle . (Sahih Bukhari, Ablutions (Wudu'), Volume 1, Book 4, Number 234)"

First of all, let us clarify the reason and story behind the prescription. Some people had become very ill at the time of the prophet, and were suffering from an unknown illness. Their bellies had swollen and they were not in a fit state. Hence, the prophet said to them, that they would find a cure in the milk and urine of a camel and so he sent them out to an area where camels were grazing. These men went to this area and drank the milk and urine. Sure enough, just like the Prophet said, they were cured and became fit and healthy.

However, at the same time, evil thoughts entered their minds and they decided they wanted the camels for themselves. They therefore killed the owner, and made off with the camels. When news of the murder reached the prophet, he sent an envoy to capture the men, and when they were captured and brought before the prophet, capital punishment was meted out to them.

Having read this story, what do we conclude from it? One could believe that this Hadith means that drinking camel urine is permissible in Islam. This is INCORRECT. The real meaning of this Hadith is that if a person needs to consume an impure and impermissible substance as a cure for an illness (when he is dying or starving), and no other reasonable alternative is available, then it is permissible. In all other circumstances, camel urine is prohibited. (Same is the case with pork).

Now, let's take a look at the scientific approach behind your (not so polite) inquiry. The camel urine is the source of conjugated equine estrogens (CEE) and available as PREMARIN. It is an estrogen treatment for menopausal and premenopausal women. It shows that the Prophet had miraculous foreknowledge of modern medicine. Also, I wanted to share the news with you that in products such as tylenol or asparine (not sure which but u can check the labels), there is an ingredient called PREMARIN. Biology majors say that the name stands for PREgnant MARe urIN. (Yes, that last word did sound like Urine didn't it?) Of course, no one would put unprocessed urine into medication... I'm sure it's boiled or pasteurized or something. But the ingredient is used very much in the way the Prophet (peace be upon him) suggested using camel urine... such as for headaches. Furthermore, estrogen product called PREMARIN is given to postmenopausal women today. This PREMARIN is extracted from HORSE URINE.

Hope this makes things clear and also, next time you want to ask a question... please do find a better wording for it. Why insult someone's faith when you don't even know about it? That does make you seem like the one in the wrong when (clearly) your intention is otherwise.
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Edit for SweetWater:

First of all, I'm really glad to know that you actually take interest in finding out what I had to say and took out your precious time to read through all that. However, at the same time, I'm disappointed you didn't find it significant in providing a good explanation.

I was expecting a challenging comment upon the mention of the whole Hadith, and you didn't disappoint me on that. All I have to say is... in today's world, theft is a very common action and doesn't seem to be a 'big deal'. However, in Islam, it's considered one of the Gunah-e-Kabeerahs (Great Sins) and therefore, has a big punishment attached to it. Even today in Saudi Arabia, those who steal get their hands cut in public. The very purpose for this is to STOP others from doing it. This is exactly what the Prophet was doing. He was warning the other Muslims against it. He was being merciful in that he was saving the other Muslims from doing it. As for branding the eyes, that was to stop the concept of greed and murder. After all, their greed to capture the animals led them to kill the shepherd and steal them. Also, I am assuming you don't know that if someone murders someone else, it is allowed to put him to death as a punishment. Notice how the Prophet spared their lives. Hope this makes the Hadith clear.

You asked if the men who were ill were also pregnant...
Obviously not. They were dehydrating.

I see you want me to come up with better ways the camel could have helped humans (men in particular - which frankly I think is pretty sexist jk). But anyway, for your sake I found an article about how camels can actually prove to benefit man.
Here is the link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1702393.stm

Furthermore, according to another study on the Medical Uses of the Urine of Arabian Camels supports my statement about the headache. The headache was obviously caused by dehydration (since, VOILA! They were in a desert... and were starving... ). The camel is known as the 'ship of the desert' because it can survive without water for many days. This is exactly why it was a cause of interest for researchers. The study also proves the efficacy of camel’s urine in treating some diseases of the digestive system.

Moreover, although this is probably not applicable in this case but the study also proves that this urine is useful in preventing hair loss. The exact words are indicated as below:
Camel’s urine acts as a slow-acting diuretic, but it does not deplete potassium and other salts as other diuretics do, because camel’s urine contains a high level of potassium and proteins. It has also been proven to be effective against some types of bacteria and viruses. It brought about an improvement in the condition of twenty-five patients who used camel’s urine for dropsy, without disrupting their potassium levels. Two of them were cured of liver pain, and their liver function was restored to normal levels, as well as the tissue of the liver being improved.

As for your analogy part... I think you conveniently forgot to read the part of my post where I said that the real meaning of this Hadith is that if a person needs to consume an impure and impermissible (Cough, I repeat IMPURE - *impure means NOT HEALTHY as a WHOLE... not PURE as a WHOLE*) substance as a cure for an illness (when he is dying or starving), (again stress on DYING and STARVING) and no other reasonable alternative is available, then (and then ONLY) it is permissible. In all other circumstances, camel urine is prohibited. (Yes, that last word was PROHIBITED). (Same is the case with pork).

Also, I do not know if you were trying to mock me, but whatever your intentions were I'd rather not be called 'sweets' or 'darling' by a stranger. Keep that in mind, if you plan to reply.

Once again, thanks for reading my post! =]
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Edit (again) for SweetWater:

Lol, so you think everything is sweet… ‘even camel urine’… and the next thing I read is about camel urine containing salt. Talk about contradiction … Although, I can’t say it’s not an interesting philosophy you have there. Thanks anyway for honoring the humble request of mine, though. =)

Apologies for forgetting the feet part. I am only human. Make mistakes. I hope you don’t think it was deliberate (but I guess it doesn’t make a difference because you apparently do). Anyway, you don’t understand the emphasis on the punishment for stealing in Islam. Like I said, it’s one of the Great Sins that God will NOT forgive. And Murder… eh… Murder is definitely not something He will either. Did you conveniently not read the part where the men murdered the shepherd… and stole his camels (Ahem, TWO Great Sins)? They deserved to die. The Prophet could have executed them right there and then. Instead he ‘spared their lives (my words before)’ for a short period of time and chose a ‘long, painful, sadistic death’ to warn the other Muslims against it. He was being merciful in that he was saving the other Muslims from doing it. Whoever said he was showing mercy to the men who had stolen, hm? I repeat again, stealing and murder are inexcusable sins. And um, about the Saudi Arabian thing… I mentioned that. I agree that it’s not a very civilized thing to do. In my opinion, we should juxtapose both our religions and our current eras. The practices done so many years ago by Muhammad and the Muslims or even Christians for that matter should not be practiced today. Unfortunately, some people don’t realize that. It’s good to know you do.

I said dehydrating, and I take it back. The truth is I do not know what illness it was and it doesn’t really mention in the Hadith. It just implies an ‘unknown illness’ and after I posted my last comments, I thought about that. Dehydration isn’t really an illness and I bet it wasn’t ‘unknown’ even then. Then it occurred to me that the Hadith implied ‘starvation’ (which I noticed you forgot to mention)… so I guess it could have been a liver problem… a digestive problem. Remember how it protected against bacterial infections, hair loss, and helped the liver? . Now, before you reply and say ‘Was urine the only available thing?’… let me say that my answer would be, I really have no idea. Satisfactory, innit?

Um, about the camel’s urine ingredients, since you are insisting so much on this explanation (and I am glad you are)… I found the real ingredients in a normal healthy camel’s urine. =]

They are:
Nitrogen (about 9 gm)
Urea (Very slight trace)
Total Creatine (9.2 gm)
Hippuric Acid (39 gm)
Purine bases (about 5 gm)
Chlorides (8 gm)

Good job in identifying the chlorides (about 8 gm). However, let’s take a look at the most amount of ingredient which happens to be Hippuric Acid. Now, current research shows that hippuric acid is useful in medical tests involving the kidney. Creatine
supplementation has been, and continues to be, investigated as a possible therapeutic approach for the treatment of muscular, neurological and neuromuscular diseases. Also, btw, urea is currently being used in some products to promote rehydration of the skin. And the purine bases are biochemically significant components in a number of important biomolecules, such as ATP. ATP = Energy molecules. So, what have we got here eh? A complete antidote for weakness, I’d say! I bet the salts are still harmful though. But I don’t see how camel urine cannot be of good medical use.

I was talking about how I know it’s impure and so did the Prophet. And that’s why it’s prohibited unless you’re dying or something and that’s the only way you can survive. The point was NO, CAMEL URINE IS NOT ALLOWED IN ISLAM.

I hope we have established a common road here. If we have not, I am sorry for my lack of eloquence. But it was nice talking to you.

Have a nice day! =]