God's learning curve?

Question

learning is something God is incapable of if he is all-knowing.

if he has always been all-knowing, does he only experience learning through us, empathetically?

if he cannot learn, then it goes without saying that he can neither discover nor invent.

if he has always been, then so have we. perhaps not physically, but conceptually.

regardless if god made us physically, can he take credit for creating us if we have always been? or is that conception of us a portion of God which has manifested itself physically, such as Brahman beliefs to where death is merely a reconcilation with our portion of "God"?


thoughts? (no biblical scripture please. this is not a question about jesus or christianity and since the question is about discovery, a biblical answer does not qualify as a fresh idea or free-thinking)

BAMAMBA

i don't think you fully appreciate the question. it is in reference to his omniscience.

if God is All-Knowing All-theTime then all things have been existence for as long as he has, being that he has been fully aware of them from the "beginning" for lack of a better word.

if that is the case, how can we consider God our "creator" if we are conceptionally as infinite as he is?(aside from the clay-breath business)

f'sho:

don't get angry. it's just a question.

and i'm not asking "who can take credit" i'm asking if anyone can, including God.

i think you may be right regarding god learning empathetically through us, but i wonder if there is a special satisfaction he gets when we learn something.

i think you confused the issue on purpose regarding whether god created us or not. i ddn't mean the physical manifestation. i made that quite clear. what i am saying is that we were not conceptually "created." how could we be? we are as infinite as God by his omniscience. we have no origin.

and thank you for keeping scripture out of your answer. it is very much appreciated.

jeancommunication:

how can you accuse me of limiting God and then quote the bible? that is blatently hypocritical.


clearly you have ignored my question entirely, changed the subjest to fit your agenda and exploited our time to try to sell bullshit.

at the same time, you have missed on an opportunity to actually contribute.

it's quite sad that you have nothing original to say.

BAMAMBA:

it is clear that my definition of omniscience is not the same as yours, the ideas that i have presented demonstrate that God does not "think" in terms of envisioning. his "thoughts" are merely rearrangements of things already in existence.

since your answer cannot fully represent what i meant by "omniscience" i feel that it may be misleading to other readers and detracts from what i had hoped to inspire regarding other people's thinking.(ironical, i know) therefore, i am afraid i have to give you a thumbs down for the purpose of suggestive action. at the same time,think you have given the best answer by far even though it does not exactly fulfill my criteria. thanks for giving me something to think about.

Answer 1

This strikes me as an extension of the Euthyphro dilemma, since it rests on the limits of our own ability to describe God using our language. The best I can do is this: God knows everything. Until God thinks a thing, it doesn't exist, and there's nothing to know. A thing becomes the instant that God thinks of it, at which point he also knows it. Thus, God's thought alone is a creative force. How God comes to think of a thing that previously wasn't is a function of his omnipotence rather than his omniscience.

EDIT

On the contrary, I did fully appreciate the question, but again, we're limited by words like "know." The argument I was making was that until God thinks a thing (which implies cognitive action rather than simply cognition) it doesn't exist, and therefore can't be known. Thus, until God thought of us, we didn't exist even conceptually, which in no way negates his omniscience.

So now you're going to ask me why God didn't know that he was going to think of us if he was omniscient, and then I'm going to say that until he thought those thoughts there wasn't anything for him to know. Like I said, Plato already touched on this issue. I don't think we're going to work it out today.

Answer 2

God is all knowing so that would mean there is no need for Him to learn. Besides who'll qualify to teach Him? Which is heavier: a 10lb bag or rocks or 10lb bag of paper? If all the numeric value required to consummate a whole number is present why would you add another 8%, .71, or 1/4 to it? Adding more substance to a gallon won't make it any more or less of a gallon.

And how can He experience learning through us if He already knows all that can be learnt? What can He discover? He is the Alpha and the Omega (beginning and end). When can there be more to what is absolute?

"regardless if god made us physically, can he take credit for creating us if we have always been?" But, you just stated that HE c r e a t e d u s. So, therefore He CAN take credit. Are you having some problem in believing in your own existence or something?

'If' He didn't take credit for our conception and reality, who else could take credit for what He has done, being that they are also the result of His creation? So, there you have it.

Answer 3

You limit God like you limit a man. God is not man, but Spirit.
Jesus Christ was a branch of God and God in flesh and when in flesh we are limited. James 2:26 "for as the body without the spirit is dead,....."

Born again is merely a reconciliation with our portion of God.
I say born again is when we are reconnected to God because we were disconnected by sin in the Garden of Eden.

God created Adam and Eve and we came down through the blood line, but God knows the gene mix because God knows beginning and ending. The Bible says God knew us before He formed us in our mother's womb so if you could break down DNA from Eve, you'd find my DNA and your DNA in there somewhere. Conceptually we were in Adam and Eve.
Spiritually we were in God because God is spirit and our spirit returns to the One who gave it.

Even the Bible says that God said, "I will create a new thing." God is not limited as man is limited. There is a whole lot we don't know about the spirit.

Answer 4

What wise teacher told you God is all-knowing. I believe that question should be answered first.