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2007-11-16 07:34:10 · 18 answers · asked by ? 7 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

Hint:1st. John 5:7. KJV

2007-11-16 07:40:12 · update #1

18 answers

The Father, The Word, and The Holy Spirit and these three are one.

2007-11-16 07:40:27 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

The short answer:
"the Father, the Word and the Spirit"

The long answer:
The actual verse 1Jo 5:7-8 (from the New Jerusalem Bible):
"So there are three witnesses,
the Spirit, water and blood;
and the three of them coincide."

This in the footnote (# denotes beginning and end of italics):
"Vulg. vv. 7-8 read as follows: 'There are three witnesses # in heaven: the Father, the Word and the Spirit, and these three are one; there are three witnesses on earth: # the Spirit, the water and the blood.' The words in italics (not in any of the early Gk MSS, or any of the early translations, or in the best MSS of the Vulg. itself) are probably a gloss that has crept into the text."

It is *very* clear that this "extra" text is a late addition. It does not even appear in some editions of the Vulgate! It doesn't appear in "*any* of the early Greek manuscripts" (emphasis mine). This is *very* strong wording for the New Jerusalem Bible. This is an addition to the text *not* made by the original author, and there is *no* doubt about this. That portion of the text not part of the original author's work is *not* inspired and *cannot* be relied upon.

This does *not* mean that it is necessarily *untrue*. It is possible that an *accurate* (truthful) addition was made to the text. However, it is *definitely* an addition not made by the author of the book, and as such should *not* be included in a translation of *scripture*.

In other words, although "the Father, the Word and the Spirit" may "bear record in heaven", scripture does *not* tell us this!

Jim, http://www.jimpettis.com/wheel/

2007-11-16 08:01:02 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

the Spirit and the water and the blood, and these three are in agreement.

This is the correct reading and the correct translation.

I knew you would not like that. KJV onlyisim is very sad. It honestly breaks my heart. :-( I grew up that way.

It is not some manuscripts that read the way I wrote it, it is all but 9.

Here are some translation notes written by Daniel Wallace (most definitely not liberal) Even Erasmus (who made the TR did not put it in at first because he could find no evidence he was pressured to add it later.)

This longer reading is found only in nine late mss, four of which have the words in a marginal note. Most of these mss (221 2318 [18th century] {2473 [dated 1634]} and [with minor variations] 61 88 429 629 636 918) originate from the 16th century; the earliest ms, codex 221 (10th century) includes the reading in a marginal note, added sometime after the original composition. The oldest ms with the Comma in its text is from the 14th century (629), but the wording here departs from all the other mss in several places. The next oldest mss on behalf of the Comma, 88 (12th century) 429 (14th) 636 (15th), also have the reading only as a marginal note (v.l.). The remaining mss are from the 16th to 18th centuries. Thus, there is no sure evidence of this reading in any Greek ms until the 14th century (629), and that ms deviates from all others in its wording; the wording that matches what is found in the TR was apparently composed after Erasmus’ Greek NT was published in 1516. Indeed, the Comma appears in no Greek witness of any kind (either ms, patristic, or Greek translation of some other version) until a.d. 1215

What this means is that we have complete Bibles from all four text families (yes even the one that the KJV comes from) that did not have the wording you see in the KJV for 1000 years prior to the first appearance of the current KJV wording.

Don't worry there is more than plenty of evidence for the teachings of the trinity. This should shake no one. It changes no doctrine at all.

2007-11-16 07:43:03 · answer #3 · answered by δοῦλος Χριστοῦ Ἰησοῦ 5 · 0 1

The Father, The Word, and The Holy Ghost.

2007-11-16 11:38:12 · answer #4 · answered by Not perfect, just forgiven 5 · 0 0

The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit
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2007-11-16 07:36:19 · answer #5 · answered by Char 7 · 4 1

you do no longer would desire to bypass a procedures in the bible to be certain trinity: Genesis 3:22 "And our lord god suggested, Behold guy is strengthen into as one people..." Us in greater beneficial than one, God is a identify, made up of three workplaces yet one spirit. Emmanuel is God with us, God became into with us in the call of Jesus. Jesus suggested I and my Father are one. God does not have a Father, subsequently the virgin beginning, no longer born by using guy, conceived in the Holy Ghost. If God can't provide us one e book it incredibly is real, then he extremely does not be that everyday of God, no longer worth. people have been attempting to disprove God's word for a protracted time, inspect this, inspect that, I ha! moments in case you will. i've got not got self belief in God by way of fact of what i've got studied or with what somebody else has confident me, yet by using the Holy Ghost that God makes use of to evangelise his word. you may the two take it or bypass away it, and by using the way , the bible teaches that still.

2017-01-05 15:36:53 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Father-God, Jesus the Son, the messiah, and the HOLY Ghost. There are 3.

these 3 have life separately ONE from another, and ARE ONE in purpose and Agree.

then Jesus prays to His Father in Heaven, and our Father in Heaven and to His God and our God, and asks that the saints become "one" like "they" are ONE.
then again the verses in Revelation say that "those who overcome shall sit on the "throne" and Jesus will become God and we his sons LIKE He overcame. rev 3:21 and 21:7

so THIS Godhead wich is not like unto Gold or silver, has more than ONE throne in the rest of the universe. so the term Heaven must be understood, whether it means All of the universe or the seperate Heavens that are underneath the "heaven of heavens" where God the Father resides.!

so correctly interpreting what was meant in the book of corrinthians has to be applied. whether it is meant the SKY above the earth, or whether it means Other earths too? or whether Jesus has a throne over all the universe. And yet! it is written and promised! that we can sit on that same throne!
but curiously Jesus Has 24 elders that sit on thrones and they rule over cities of the earth and in the mellinium.

the term Eloiheim is plural and single at the same time, depending on who is teaching the interpretation.
One scholar teaches that the Godhead is composed of all the angels as well as the son and God the Father. and there is 3 different types of angels.
to make things more confusing, these angels have power over creation and the ability to create and design as well as the sons of God. it is the sons of god who become saviours and messiahs and creators. They are Fathers and can be given worlds without end, therefore Jesus is NOT alone in heavens despite what it says in issaiah. However IN THIS ONE PLANET, earth, there is only ONE saviour. ONLY his name has salvation. In fact the earth is created after his genetic code and all creation, that breathes and has life.

2007-11-16 07:53:15 · answer #7 · answered by Priestcalling 3 · 1 2

hehehe sorry you keep getting crazy answers.

i think you're talking about the father the son and the holy spirit, right?

the three that bare record? hmmm I'm not sure... i'll keep checking back to find out what you find out!! lol

good luck!!

2007-11-16 07:39:48 · answer #8 · answered by Silver Thunderbird 6 · 0 0

These verses, by some liberal scholars. they say, seem to be added at a later date, because they weren't found in the oldest manuscripts. Codex Vaticanus or Codex sinusus, I forgot how to spell the proper word. But be assured its true.

2007-11-16 07:47:15 · answer #9 · answered by Ace of Spades 5 · 0 1

Everyone has 2 angels that records the the things that you do. One records the good that you do, & the other records the bad that you do.

2007-11-16 07:38:48 · answer #10 · answered by Charles P 1 · 0 1

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