Will AGW proponents be responsible for the deaths of hundreds of millions?

Question

The Vostok data (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Vostok_420ky_4curves_insolation.jpg ) shows that in 450,000 years CO2 never warmed the planet. In every case temperature rises first and then CO2 concentration follows. In addition, after every warming peak in the record, temperature falls precipitously while CO2 levels remain at their highest. CO2 neither causes warming nor impedes cooling.

Therefore,

1. The only proposed mitigation technique is doomed to failure based on a 450,000 year experiment called Earth.
2. AGW proponents, fixated on this doomed technique, are unwilling to accept the experimental evidence. This fixation stymies open discussion or research into other possibilities.
3. The unwillingness of AGW proponents to accept the unambiguous historical data will deplete necessary resources and unalterably compromised peoples’ ability to prepare for elevated temperatures.

Millions will die. Will AGW proponents responsible?

Answer 1

Global warming has caused CO2 in the past, that is a valid point.

Al Gore spend a very long time dwelling on the link between CO2 and global warming, but he failed to mention that CO2 didn't cause global warming, it was the other way around. In his enthusiasm to sell AGW, he appeared to be speading ignorance there rather than spreading science.

Doing something unnecessary about climate change won't kill millions of people. Just because AGW supporters are making rediculous claims about fire, famine, plague and war, we don't need to desend to their level of ignorance.

Some reduction in fossile fuel use is a good idea because it's getting expensive and are likely to run out before we find a better alternative.

Answer 2

Every single statement you made was wrong.

The ice core data shows that CO2 has warmed the planet many times in the past. It did not initiate the warming in the past, but clearly it amplified the warming. Otherwise the CO2 and global temperature graphs would not match up so closely.

Even if temperatures fall "precipitously while CO2 levels remain at their highest" (which is not at all clear from the graphs), this would not prove anything because we know that CO2 is not the only driver of the Earth's climate. It is entirely possible to overwhelm the greenhouse effect with a larger cooling effect.

Of course CO2 causes warming and impedes cooling. It's a greenhouse gas. Have you ever heard of the greenhouse effect?

1) Wrong.
2) Wrong - you're the one ignoring the experimental evidence.
3) Are you joking? AGW acknowledgers are telling you that the global temperature is going to rise!

The greenhouse effect is very basic science. If you can't comprehend it then you certainly shouldn't be drawing conclusions about the validity of the AGW theory.

Answer 3

You're right about every warming EXCEPT THIS ONE. CO2 is rising simultaneously with temperature, which has NEVER happened before. It's proof that this time, the warming is mostly caused by CO2.

CO2 can act in two ways. It can raise temperature by the greenhouse effect and it is released from oceans when they warm. No scientist disputes those very basic facts.

In the past warmings were created by the Sun. After a lag of hundreds of years, CO2 was released from warming oceans. This time THERE IS NO LAG. And the Sun is actually decreasing a little.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6290228.stm

Please keep posting this. It's one of many proofs that the present warming is caused mostly by us, and maybe one of the easiest to understand. More details about it here:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=13

Good websites for more info:

http://profend.com/global-warming/
http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/dn11462

Answer 4

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Answer 5

To give a detailed answer would take a long time (even by my usually lengthy standards) so I'll focus on one key factor.

CO2 levels and rising temperatures are part of a coupled process or feedback mechanism - one leads to the other irrespective of which comes first.

For example, as temperatures rise more CO2 is released from the oceans and thus atmospheric concentrations of CO2 increases.

Conversely, as CO2 levels rise (or any greenhouse gas levels) more heat is retained within Earth's atmopshere.

This compounding process is effectively a chain reaction - the oceans give of CO2 leading to temperature rises leading to the oceans giving off CO2 leading to temperature rises and so on. It makes no difference which comes first.

It's not remotely as simple as that as there are many other factors that need to be taken into account in order to obtain the full picture but that's the gist of it.

Historically the triggering process has been caused by rising temperatures consequential to solar variation and Earth's erratic orbit. These events are cyclical, hence rising / falling temps and the coming and going of ice ages follows a distinct pattern. Any external influence on the natural cycles is bound to cause disruption, this is preciselt what we've done in respect of greenhouse gases.

Ordinarily, natural mechanisms have a surplus capacity allowing them to remove up to 3 billion tons of excess CO2 from the atmopshere each year. We're presently adding 29 billion tons a year, way beyond anything that nature can handle and as a result there's a net increase of 26Gt of atmopsheric CO2 each year (+12Gt of other greenhouse gases).

Due to a simple physical property possessed by all greenhouse gases (hence the classification), they have the ability to retain heat within Earth's atmosphere (more specifically, they impede the exit of longwave thermal radiation from Earth's atmopshere but permit the entry of shortwave solar radiation into the atmopshere). Any increase in atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations inevitable leads to the retention of more heat within the atmosphere.

For millions of years total levels of grenhouse gases in the atmopshere never exceeded 300 parts per million by volume, in just 100 years we've increased this level by over 100 ppmv and it now stands at 388ppmv.

Answer 6

The Vostok Ice cores tell me that peoples ability to prepare for a sharp drop in temperatures is being compromised. That is what awaits the human race, and AGW proponents will be responsible for perpetuating a fraud.

Answer 7

Man-made global warming is a proven fact--and iscaused primarily by elevated levesls of CO2 in the atmosphere.

There isn't any "debate." And no one is going to take any of the crackpot theories such as what you jsut quoted seriously. That is not science--it is simply garbage.

And noone is going to die due to countermeasures to compat the effects of global warming. A lot of people will die if we don't act, however. Are you prepared to accpt responsibility for that?

Answer 8

America may beat AGW to it ,the first small tactical nuclear weapon was launched against Syria on september 6th ,but nobody wants to talk about it .

Answer 9

They can only hope. Overpopulation (whatever that is) is one of the reasons sited for the cause of "global warming". If a billion or two people die because of their actions, they will think they did good for the Earth.

Answer 10

No. You have it backwards.

CO2 lag debunked here http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/dn11659

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No logic. No facts.

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