Revelations
20:2
And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
Something doesn't make sense to me. It seems like it should read:
And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the the false accuser/slanderer and the adversary, and bound him for a thousand years;
kai ekrathsen ton drakonta, o ofiv o arxaiov, ov estin Diabolov kai o Satanav, kai edhsen auton xilia eth,
see those 'o's? Again, it is removed in the english translation when the word Satan is used.
This is called, translating according to doctrine. Agree or disagree?
2007-11-15
23:13:04
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2007-11-16
00:17:36 ·
update #1
The dragon is a country or something like that. Not an angel.
2007-11-16
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update #2
he has several names like we all do
Lucifer, serpent, roaring lion, satan among some
2007-11-15 23:21:42
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answer #1
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answered by jesussaves 7
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Yes if the translater had used the description of the serpent which is a false accuser (liar) and adversary (opposer) it would give this verse a more descriptive understanding of what the dragon is and why he is being put out of commission (bound) for a long period of time.
The cross references in other scriptures, such as the first mention of this symbolic creature in Genesis 3 gives us a review of when he began to slander and become the adversary. Christ also spoke of this one by saying he was a man slayer from the beginning.--Jh 8:44
It's interesting that this one false accuser and opposer isn't given a proper name. This could be why the translater uses Devil and Satan to bring out this thought. Regardless, using the description to explain this dragon doesn't rule out that he is any less a real invisible being.
2007-11-16 10:19:12
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answered by Marina 1 6
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Allegorically speaking (since it's all allegory: Galatains 4)...
Peter is the only man called Satan in the Bible: Matthew 16:23; Who is also told "when (not if) thou art converted, [then] strengthen thy brethren: Luke 22:32. And we know Peter eventually got converted by reading Paul's epsitles, because he flat out says so: 2Peter 3. Furthermore in 2Peter3, we find converted Peter "AND"ly notes 1000 yrs [is] as 1 day. So when we plug this allegory clue into Revelation 20, the 1000 yrs thereof becomes 1 day in Acts 12:4, namely Easter, the one day Peter(Satan) spent chained in prison.
As for the "dragon", mentioned 12 times in Revelation, and firstly noted as "another wonder" which appeared in "heaven" having a war, is notably called a "great red dragon" with seven heads, ten horns, and seven crowns... whose tail drew a third part of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth.
In Revelation 20, the last mention of dragon, we find allegoric referrence such dragon is also called that old serpent, the Devil, and Satan... so we're allegorically talking Law: accuser of the brethren (John 5:45), the ministration of condemnation (2Cor3:9) and the ministration of death (2Cor3:7).
Flush the law as dung, and then poof goes the dragon.
The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.
2007-11-16 07:46:15
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answered by Anonymous
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THE ENEMIES OF JESUS AND HIS HEAVENLY ARE CAST OUT OF HEAVEN
Acts 2:27-35 [Jesus at God righ hand until enemies underfeet of
heavenly Rom.16:20; Matt.22:42-44; Heb.1:1-13 ];
Rev.12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. [ Rev.17:10-14 #1 to #7 world Empires and 8th of 10 nations is short time in the end time of Dan.12L1-13 ];
12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast
out with him. 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in
them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
2007-11-16 07:44:51
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answered by jeni 7
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The serpent of old means that Satan was the serpent in the garden of Eden. the one that tempted Eve. That is very clear.
2007-11-16 07:57:05
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answered by pugjw9896 7
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I agree, since the Accuser was always known as Satan.
2007-11-16 07:24:13
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answered by Anonymous
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Dragons are not of Satan.
"translating according to doctrine"...Oh so agree! ...I really like knowing you
2007-11-16 07:25:09
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answered by ? 4
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it looks like the original translation is better than yours.....i see the word satan there...and it is missing from your version.
2007-11-16 07:38:02
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answer #8
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answered by Angel wings 4
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I call it splitting hair.
2007-11-16 07:20:22
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answered by Averell A 7
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