Would Jesus have had to come anyway?
Did God already have a "plan" when he put the apple tree there or did he make up the punishment after they ate the fruit?
2007-11-15 18:52:48 · 11 answers · asked by srsly 5 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
This is a question I've already asked. Some people said "we would have had no need of a messiah", others said "someone else would have screwed everything up; a messiah was inevitable" and still others insisted that "God planned for us to fall; that's why he created Adam & Eve, so that we'd need a messiah".
These were all responses from Christians.
2007-11-15 18:56:58 · answer #1 · answered by ZER0 C00L ••AM••VT•• 7 · 1⤊ 1⤋
If Adam and Eve didn't "eat" the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, then they realize God's Purpose of Creation or create God's Kingdom of Heaven. God clearly say this in Gen 1:28.
It means: 1) become perfect (able to bare the fruits of True/God's love = be fruitful; 2) Create God's world family in one world government where all people are brothers and sisters of one God's family = multiply; 3) Perfect people will rule with God's True Love over Creation = to have dominion.
Before the fall and right after the fall Adam & Eve could walked & talked with God without reading any scriptures.
If Adam and Eve Create Kindom of Heaven at threir time then there is no need of the way of solvation or Savior.
Wrong choice made by Adam & Eve. God cannot do bad or harmfull. He coudn't see His children after the fall. When we read God punish'em, we have to understand that it is Adam & Eve left their position of loved ones by God or Adam & Eve left God, not God left Adam and Eve.
God NEVER expect His children to leave Him. It's like parents never expect to give birth to dead child.
I pray you get my points. And may God bless you.
2007-11-15 19:51:02 · answer #2 · answered by Alex 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
If Adam and Eve had said no to non-organic apples in the Garden of Paradise, the world today would be a perfect place and Jesus would never have had to come here it seems to me.
2007-11-15 18:58:27 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
precisely, from perfection no imperfection can come, otherwise it wasn't perfect firstly. a similar applies to a "perfect" God. that is in basic terms the start of problems with the Adam and Eve fairy tale. the position does a concept procedure come from at the same time as adults are magically created with out any existence studies to fill their minds with records. We learn what's nice and incorrect from out dad and mom, or existence studies. both God had to grant them "pretend" suggestions, experience of self and the expertise to even go with, or their brains were empty like a sparkling born. both way they were screwed and couldn't help to do what they did. i hit upon it so ironic at the same time as Christians say, "God did not choose robots", yet the first 2 he made had to be in basic terms that, preprogrammed robots.
2016-10-24 08:06:41 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Jesus would have already been here. i mean him/God as one person.
God had talked and walked and spent time physically with adam and eve so if they hadnt have sinned then we would al be able to have what they had in the beginning
it would be like heaven basically.
And He already had the plan. He knew it was going to happen He knows everything even before it happens/
2007-11-15 18:57:22 · answer #5 · answered by Delena J 3 · 1⤊ 1⤋
The ALLEGORICAL "Garden of Eden" story didn't mention an "apple" tree. But that's moot, anyway, since it obviously was nothing more than a simplistic story written for a totally unscientific people that had just barely emerged from the Stone Age at that time.
2007-11-15 18:59:58 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 2⤋
God didn't plan for us to fail.
Being the all-knowing God, He knew Adam & Eve would sin against Him, but this didn't spoil His plan - to have a people who will choose to love and obey Him.
He planned to rescue us right from the very beginning of time.
He is a God of love, you see.
2007-11-15 19:05:06 · answer #7 · answered by cataliz <SFCU> 5 · 0⤊ 2⤋
If they had not sinned, we would not be here. Because nothing would have happened the same way. Sin would not have entered the world, nor death, nor pain, nor sorrow, nor tears, nor sickness, nor any kind of evil.
God knew before He made us, that He would have to come down here and die for us. He loved us so much, He did it all anyway.
2007-11-15 19:02:14 · answer #8 · answered by Sweet Suzy 777! 7 · 0⤊ 2⤋
Who says they did?
I mean, even if they existed, what kind of life is it being so ignorant? Me, I'd be eating from that tree without any ol' serpent inducing me.
2007-11-15 19:01:38 · answer #9 · answered by Brent Y 6 · 1⤊ 2⤋
God "lived" in HIs infinite mind the entire course of human history. He knew before He actually created the world itself that Adam and Eve would sin. And God had a plan for salvation in place long before the earth was made!
Jhn 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
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Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
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1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
2007-11-15 19:01:20 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋