Evolutionists..................?

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In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

If as some of you had said, the random chance of hitting the keyboard and getting an letter typed is 1/104 chance

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Akmw3I3Gjvull24U1QhNJSPd7BR.;_ylv=3?qid=20071115221931AAnJY38

then the chances of getting the verse above with 54 letters/space/fullstop

is (1/104) to the power of 54th...


What is the random chance of getting a book typed? A library?



What is the random chance for the the chromosomes and genes that make up any organism?

Poof..........BIG BANG???????

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Spelled out................

Random typing cannot produce a book, neither a library...............

Random chance cannot produce the complex genes and chromosomes any living organism has.

THERE MUST BE A CREATOR.


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VERY GOOD, JP. Top marks!!

There must be an editor................
Guess Who was THE Typist and THE Editor??

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Greydon Square

Americans do have short memories. You sure need another Sept 11, to remind yourself??

Big bang + 13.4 billion years........ and you get your perfect New York? You American really cannot remember the utter mess of Sept 11!!!!


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Answer 1

Good point and how is it that we were "coincidentally" centered in between the planets in such a way to block us from being destroyed by big meteors. Just far away from the sun not to burn just close enough not to freeze. What a mighty God we serve!

Answer 2

If it were purely random, effectively zero. There are, however, electric and magnetic forces at work at the level at which DNA is encoded. They are called "self-organizing principles" for a reason.

Consider: suppose I take a bunch of pieces of iron. I paint one end red and one end blue on each. Then I put them into a box and give it a shake. What are the chances that, when I look in the box, all of the red ends will be joined up with blue ends and vice versa? Pretty slim, unless you know that all of them are magnets. Then it becomes clear that the process is not entirely random - there are other forces at work. The same thing is going on with amino acids and DNA.

Studies show that, for example, the double helix structure of DNA just happens when you put amino acids together. The way the intermolecular forces work twists the chains into the double helix without any outside intervention.

So - again - it's not completely random. Analyzing it as though it were ignores some of the fundamental forces in the universe.

And, by the way - the Big Bang is only tangentially related to organic evolution, and that only because it started everything off.

Answer 3

In physics, it is believed 13.4 billion years elapsed between the Big Bang and modern day. Some scientists believe that there have been many "Big Bangs" and after the universe expands for so long it retracts. Under that assumption, it could have taken trillions and trillions of years for the universe to finally get a "Big Bang" right and create life.

I also agree with some of the other answers out there, I'm just giving you one you haven't heard yet - as a possibility.

Answer 4

OK - explain where the creator deity comes from? What is the random chance of an omnipotent creator deity popping into existence out of nothing? I'm sure such a creature is going to be vastly more complex then a mere chromosome?

Oh I forgot, we don't need to explain all that for some reason. You just have to get down on your knees and grovel, and have people tell you that you aren't groveling right because in verse 13233 of the book of "my favorite god of the week" it says blah blah blah.

Use that gray blob between your ears and start thinking!

Answer 5

Evolution does not happen randomly. Mutations occur randomly, but natural selction moves in a specific direction, using those random mutations for the betterment of the population in which they occur. If the handling of random mutations by natural selection were also random, then obviously nothing would evolve from a simpler to a more complex state, as has clearly happened. But natural selection is very specifically directed, even though mutations are chance and random.

Answer 6

Your analogy sucks. The random typing could only be compared to abiogenesis. As soon as natural selection (ie: things that can survive, do, while things that can't, don't) takes over it becomes a process guided by the need to survive.

Additionally, there is no "random chance" that chromosomes could form instantly from base chemicals, that is not what ANYONE is saying except creation propagander. Life started _SIMPLE_ and developed variation and complexity over time whilst the need to survive kept the damaging mutations to a minimum.

Do we really need to be the ones to educate you on these matters?

lol, ignore realchurch, s/he really doesn't have a clue. Yes, our entire "belief system" would crumble upon the presentation of probabilities based upon flawed presumptions about evolution. Suuuuuree they would.

Answer 7

As I said in your previous question:

"Well the DNA in a human cell contains BILLIONS and they all have to be just right or you don't get a human. Statistically it's impossible!"

The error: You're wanting to write the entire novel with random keystrokes, unedited. Evolution makes no such claim -- it edits extremely heavily via natural selection.

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realchurchhistorian:

If I accept his false premises, his math checks out. However, his math is based on a false premise.

"If it rains, humans turn purple. It rains. Therefore humans turn purple."

This is logically valid. Given that premise, the conclusion is sound. However, the premise is in error, as such, the conclusion is meaningless.

In the same way, his premise is, "Evolution proposes that chromosomes arose entirely randomly and completely formed" This is false. Evolution does not propose that. Evolution proposes gradual formation, with mutation occuring then being honed by selective pressure (negative mutations resulting in lower procreation rates, positive mutations resulting in higher procreation rates)

Typical strawman argument.

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sola:

The editor was physics ultimately.

Congratulations on a second strawman -- Greydon never said what resulted was perfect, (s)he just said that it resulted. Evolution does not posit perfection, nor does the Big Bang.

Answer 8

Evolution and the Big Bang theory have nothing to do with one another. Major evolution of which you speak of does seem mathematically foolish. But species changing within their families set limits (Minor Evolution) is not only possible – but proven. By summing all Evolution up into one word you show lack of knowledge in the subject. You need to find out what you are fighting against first, then wage the war my friend.

Answer 9

Do not try to use so many big words. They cannot understand the complexity of the math you propose or that they espouse.

These calculations do not compute for them, because if they did, then their entire belief system will crumble around them. That type of distress and insecurity is so great, that they would rather live in denial and call us ignorant, uneducated, non-scientific creationists. It is easier than admitting that their theories are absurd, bankrupt and obsolete.

Answer 10

The Improbabilities (HUGE Numbers) Proof of God

(1) Look at all these HUGE numbers that I've trotted out in front of you. Aren't they HUGE?
(2) These HUGE numbers mean that a godless universe is super duper improbable. You can't deny the HUGENESS of the numbers. No you can't.
(3) Therefore, the Judeo-Christian, Biblical, Abrahamic deity Yahweh exists.