Jesus. The Bible shows that Jesus worked with Jehovah in creating everything else.
(Colossians 1:15-17)
Not that it was a triune God speaking as some are saying. Ever since when did "we" and "us" mean THREE PEOPLE?
2007-11-15 12:12:14
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answer #1
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answered by Anonymous
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(firstborn means 'oldest' or 'eldest' according to Harper's Bible Dictionary, Thus Col 1:15 can read "He is the oldest of all creation"
Col 1:16-18 point out that all things were created through him, thus Jesus is not the source of creation but the instrument God used.)
Why I can’t believe in the royal we, idea to Genesis 1:26 and 3:22,
If Jehovah talked with the royal we or us, etc, why did He only do it only 4-5 times.
Why didn’t He or doesn’t He continue to do to so through out the bible.
Why didn’t He use the royal we at Gen. 1:29, 30 only 3 verses later, or Gen. 2:18, Gen. 3:11, 15
and through out the rest of the bible? Why at Isa. 6:8, does Jehovah say “Whom shall I send”?
Job 38:4-7 shows that the angels were existing at the creation of man, so Jehovah wasn’t alone and had many spirit creatures to talk to.
Instead, which sounds more real and truthful, that Jehovah was talking to someone who is His Master Worker, His Firstborn Son, His Faithful Witness, who is His image, His exact representation, OR He was talking to Himself. (Prov. 8:30; Heb. 1:3; Col 1:15)
Bible scholar Donald E. Gowan said “There is no support in the O[ld] T[estament] for most of the proposed explanations: the royal ‘we,’ the deliberative ‘we,’ the plural of fullness, or an indication of a plurality of persons in the Godhead.
Why does the word Elohim according to Strong’s Cyclopaedia, when it applies to Jehovah means Supreme God, not Gods? Even when this word is applied to Moses (Ex. 4:16 & 7:1) it doesn’t mean that there are 3 Moses, it doesn’t even mean there are 2 Moses.
(Side point when Jesus said if you see me you see the Father, it is because he is the image of God, the exact representation of his Father. When you see an image in a mirror you are seeing a representation, not the actual person. Col 1:15)
(Side point, According to my college dictionary, begotten means “to be born”, to be born means “brought into life or being” when was Jesus brought into life, when he came to life as a baby? No, as Jehovah’s Firstborn of creation Col. 1:15; Rev 3:14)
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2007-11-16 03:43:43
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answered by TeeM 7
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it seems some have a partial knowledge of GOD BUT FIRST BORN DOESN'T MEAN JESUS was or is a created being. in colossians it states That wiThout JESUS NOTHING THAT WAS CREATED WAS DONE SO WITHOUT HIM so how then could JESUS be created then if all things were created by him because it pleased the father that this be so? Nehemiah 9;;6 colossians 1 v 16
think here if all things as Paul points out were created by Him and for Him HOW does that make HIM A CREATED BEING? ,, WHEN do we have someone that was created that is able by himself to create all things and in him they are even held together?? think here folks what hold the very elements together or better yet who?? IT states in 1 peter 3 v 10 that at the end of time the very elements will melt with a fervent heat,, imagine a heat so intense that the very elements and molecules that hold things together are heated up that they vanish?? awesome yes?
IS it not GOD alone that is able to create life ? is that not why its forbidden for man to murder ??
since we are not able to prolong our own life except to obey HIS commands and those of our parents too like the 5th commandments tells us its not our right to end another's life premeaditary! . I just want topoint out that some scriptures need to be seen by fully comparing it with others ,, the hebrew language and the greek is so much more in context than english . it loses al ot in translation .. . in hebrews CH 1 we find GOD talking to his son caling HIM GOD . I DONT claim to be a theoligian just a working stiff . . sometimes i forget fully just how to explain what i know to a way in which others can fully grasp it .. oh to be able to have an eloquent tongue like daniel webster did that early american revolutionary christian and statesman , wow , anyway EXCELLENT QUESTION THUMBS UP , mj
2007-11-16 01:02:24
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answered by mjbrightergem33 4
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When Jehovah created Adam and Eve, he said: "Let us make man in our image." The question is: Who was God speaking with and inviting to share in creation?
A Trinitarian would probably conclude that God was just muttering to himself, or perhaps one head of the Trinity was conferring with the other two heads of the triune conglomerate.
But, the more sensible and scriptural answer is that Jehovah was speaking to his Only-begotten Son.
2007-11-16 03:12:46
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answered by keiichi 6
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Genesis 1:26:
"Let us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness,"
Some suggest that because of the way God phrased the above, it shows Him as consisting of more than one person.
However, many commentaries suggest that God was speaking with Jesus and his created angels who were in existence before the creation of the earth. Job 38:4-7 says:
"Where were you WHEN I LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH? ...On what were its bases sunk, or who laid its cornerstone, WHEN the morning stars sang together, and ALL THE SONS OF GOD shouted for joy?" (RSV)
Regarding Man being made in God's image or likeness:
If the Trinity is correct and God really is composed of three persons, then why does Man (who was created in God's image) not display any kind of a tri-nature about him whatsoever? Certainly if God possessed such a tri-nature, and such a fundamental tri-nature aspect is conspicuously absent in Man, how then could it be said that Man was made in God's image?
We know, however, that the man created by God to be in God's image and likeness (Adam), the son of God (Luke 3:38), was a single person. He could have easily been created as three separate persons. He could have been created with three faces. But God expressly made him (in his image) with one body, one head, one face, one mind, one personality: one person.
"...it is the whole of man, rather than some part or aspect of him, that is the image of God. The whole man, body and soul, is the image of God." - p. 508, New Bible Dictionary, Dr. J. D. Douglas, Ed., (Editor-at-large, Christianity Today), Tyndale House Publ., 1984.
The fact that a man is in God's image tells us (1) that a man cannot possibly be that God, and (2) that God is a single person also (to correspond with a man being in His image). -RDB
For much more:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JWquestions_and_answers_archives/message/129
2007-11-15 12:12:03
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answered by tik_of_totg 3
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You are asking a doctrinal question.
But, the Bible does point to Jesus as the one God was speaking to.
Jesus was the first created, and was instrumental in creating all other things, according to the Bible.
2007-11-15 12:17:01
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answered by rangedog 7
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God the Father,God the Son (Jesus) and God the Holy Ghost.
2007-11-15 12:09:07
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answered by deacon 6
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Trinitarians who point to this as proof, really proves nothing. If anything proves there desperation to exaggerate a simple sentence structure to fit a doctrine that makes no sense, scripturally speaking.
If I say:
Let us make this building.
If you were to read that, would you think I'm part of a "Godhead" or talking to myself? No!
2007-11-16 04:02:47
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answered by YXM84 5
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He said "our image" because God is God the Father, The Word and the Holy Spirit at this time.
Take care, God bless
EDIT: Can you be a father, brother, and son and still be one person?? Can you be a runner, and an accountant, and a husband?? You can.
2007-11-15 12:14:35
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answered by AngieMama 3
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It is man that is being talked about, it is man that created man, and man dose come from the spiritual world, it is man that is I am that I am people seek a God that simply is not there, it is man that is the creator of all things, it is man that is God.
2007-11-15 12:19:46
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answered by Anonymous
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