There are so many things that prove God exists, why do many people pass it off as if it is nothing?

Question

Things stated in the bible which are noted to come to pass that have happened, people being cured of paralysis in church (if any of you cared to look into a church), dreams that came to pass.

Another question to you all, what made you athiests in the first place besides lack of proof. (If thats your only answer then dont bother answering. I ask for evidence on your part on what actually made u athiest. Like, people say the bible contradicts itself but in what ways?)

And those of you who want physical proof, go to a church who cures the sick and watch the people in wheel chairs get out of their seats without anyone else helping them.

Answer 1

In over fifty years of diligent searching, I have never read one convincing proof of God's existence in the physical realm. That many believers "feel Him in their hearts" proves nothing, since subjective mental experiences are merely the cunning creations of our self-contained living brains, and cannot be said to be actually "real."

Until the seventeenth century, all of Western Civilization were Solipsists and imagined that reality was based on subjective mental experience -- essentially that reality revolved around the human nervous system. Since the scientific revolution, we now know that only the physical realm is objectively real and that individual mental experiences are merely the fabrications of our living brains -- not real.

Frankly, most Christians have deluded themselves into believing that what they think is actually real -- a position educated people abandoned when we discovered science, more than three hundred years ago.

Additional response to your comments: What made me first turn to atheism? ...self-righteous Pentecostal born-again parents who punished every minor childish infraction and who themselves never ever forgave anybody for anything. ...being accused of being an atheist before I even knew what the word meant. ...being physically compelled to attempt to kiss a rattlesnake's head just to prove that I truly loved Jesus. ...reading about the barbaric murder of Madalyn Murray O'Hair by Christian fundamentalists. ...the outright stupidity of the right to life movement and those who bomb women's health centers. ...learning that "faith-healers" routinely hide electrodes within their hands so they can covertly administer a bolt of electric current through the brains of those they lay their hands on. ...the realization that Solipsism and its evil twin Christianity impede scientific progress and seriously undermine the progress of human civilization. ...et cetera.

Answer 2

"Things stated in the bible which are noted to come to pass that have happened"-- Like what? (And if it's something that can be (a) self-fulfilling, like the Jews returning to Israel, it doesn't count, and (b) something that can be interpreted in a million different ways, but you conveniently interpret them to mean something specific, then it doesn't count.

"people being cured of paralysis in church"--You show me one person that was truly cured of paralysis in church. I want medical documentation showing that they really were paralyzed. And if God cures people of paralysis, then how come so many people that went to "Church" and to healers hoping to be cured are still paralyzed? (Let me guess...it's their own fault because they didn't have enough "faith".) And how come there has never, ever been a single amputee cured? What's God got against amputees?

"dreams that came to pass."-- You show me one dream that has come to pass that can not be easily chalked up to coincidence, or liberal interpretation. (There also needs to be documentation that the person had told of the dream BEFORE the dream "came to pass".

And you want to talk about people "getting up out of their wheelchairs" in church...well, you should go about six months later and see the same people. They're back in their wheelchairs.
Here's an example of what happens in the "faith healing" process:
During the early 1970s, Minnesota surgeon William Nolen, M.D., attended a service conducted by Katherine Kuhlman, the leading evangelical healer of that period. After noting the names of 25 people who had been "miraculously healed," he was able to perform follow-up interviews and examinations. Among other things, he discovered that one woman who had been announced as cured of "lung cancer" actually had Hodgkin's disease -- which was unaffected by the experience. Another woman with cancer of the spine had discarded her brace and followed Ms. Kuhlman's enthusiastic command to run across the stage. The following day her backbone collapsed, and four months later she died. Overall, not one person with organic disease had been helped. Dr. Nolen reported his findings, which included observations of several other healers, in "Healing: A Doctor in Search of a Miracle" , a book that I heartily recommend
http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/faith.html

Answer 3

It does say that "The firmament proclaims God's artwork" in Psalm 19, yet IMO there are some distance better ideas to educate God to exist. including: -the actual undeniable reality that God's chosen human beings, Israel, the tiniest of international locations, has survived 3000 years, and each and each and every empire that has oppressed them, no count number number how massive and strong, has met their eventual doom. -Daniel 9:25-27 predicting the precise twelve months that Jesus Christ might want to be baptized, besides because the actual undeniable reality that He might want to positioned an end to sacrifice, and that He might want to continuously make abominations end. -The 1000's of historic prophecies including the 70-twelve months reign of Babylon (Jeremiah 25:9-12) and the region and nature of the descendants of Ishmael, the Arabs (Genesis 16:10-12). -And actual, the superb debts of miracles. The memories of Christians, the presence of the Holy Spirit which tens of millions can attest to, the stunning existence of Christ which changed into anticipated 1000's of years previously it happened, and the actual undeniable reality that each and each and every unmarried between the top-time prophecies remains valid.

Answer 4

there are many things that prove the opposite is true. science has physical proof of evolution......... what is your proof that only your god exists or that a Divine power exists at all? I'm like the others, show me proof of your god...... hard physical proof, not just faith but something I can touch.....something science hasn't proved to be part of evolution.

Answer 5

Why even ask questions like this on R&S? You know what is going to happen, I have been on here and have heard and seen it all, do not trap yourself for put downs of your Faith, shake the dust from your feet and move on. :)

Just try to weed the good out from the bad and if you can help someone who truly is interested, that is all you can do.

Answer 6

There is no proof that God exists, that is why you need faith.

Even a priest or vicar will tell you this.

They can be 99.9999% sure that they are right, but never 100% - that is what faith is for.

Answer 7

Because it's their right, and because truth is in the eye of the beholder?

I wouldn't be so arrogant as to assume that my deities alone exist and anyone who doesn't think so is delusional or purposefully ignoring any evidence.

Answer 8

Everyone dismisses what they don't want to believe. How many people scoffed at the idea that the world is round, or that the Earth revolves around the sun.

Answer 9

I believe you if you make no reference to the bible.

Answer 10

They can explain away everything and anything. Because they want to- and if they admit there is a God then they would have to change the way they live. And that would be inconvenient.