Are you tired of hearing "Just enforce the laws now"?

Question

I'll agree many laws need revision...especially concerning immigration.
But let's think about this a minute. Pro's say the laws are wrong but yet wish to invoke the 14th amendment concerning children of illegals. Anti's say the laws are right. Yet wishing to revoke the 14th amendment right of children of illegals. Remember some of the words of the 14th...Wouldn't denying a child it's parents conflict with the words..life liberty and property? Especially considering we have so many laws in place to protect the family unit?

But I guess the REAL question here is...How can EITHER side dismiss laws or choose to obey laws that only go with their particular agenda? Is it a matter of adhering to ALL laws or none?

That seems to be what this debate has been brought to in my opinion.

I think some changes with the times are in order. What do you think?

I agree...I don't like "Blanket" anything concerning laws.

Does anyone think the 14th needs revisions?

Timmster...Yes I am. Too many "gray" area's.

Answer 1

So it looks like youre saying we have laws which are in opposition to each other. Personally I think the constitution should only protect citizens. No representation without taxation to twist an old adage. I am obviously pro immigration law.

Answer 2

No, I am not tired of hearing "just enforce the law." Illegals are trespassers, uninvited invaders who are ruining this country. There is nothing wrong with the 14th amendment, it has been interpreted incorrectly by liberal, activist judges to grant birthright citizenship to the children of illegal aliens. It is just an insane policy to give citizenship to the children of visitors, pregnant Mexicans who cross the border to give birth, and the children of illegal aliens!

How can anyone with a functioning brain in their head be for giving citizenship to these people? We have 300 million people already. Enough with the anchor babies. Enforce the damn immigration laws and increase funding for ICE and the Border Patrol. We need a good man like Duncan Hunter or Ron Paul to get this country going in the right direction.

The 14th Amendment, passed to guarantee the citizenship of freed slaves, grants citizenship to anyone born here and "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. HR 1940 acknowledges the right of birthright citizenship established by the 14th amendment to the Constitution, but says a person born in the United States is considered "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States only if one of the parents is a citizen, an alien lawfully admitted for permanent, or an alien performing active service in the armed forces.

Answer 3

I'm tired of the laws not being enforced.

Enforcing the laws we have now would be a good idea, and a great place to start. Once we have a real idea of how well they work (and don't work), we could consider changing them.

I think changing the 14th Amendment should definitely be way down on the list of laws to change. It's the Constitution, an Amendment is a big deal, it shouldn't be done lightly. Personally, I can't think of any way to jetison birthright citizenship without creating a permanent non-citizen underclass. There are other ways to deal with the 'anchor baby' phenomenon than stripping ourselves of constitutional protections.

Answer 4

Remember some of the words of the 14th...Wouldn't denying a child it's parents conflict with the words..life liberty and property? Especially considering we have so many laws in place to protect the family unit?

Right here you seem to be saying that the parents should become legal if the child is born here. The US is the only country in the world that allows a child who is born here to become a citizen automatically. I think that this particular law should be changed. The 14th ammendment worked long ago, but now does not work with the changing times. Society changes, and some of the constitution does not fit society today. ( it is the pursuit of life, liberty and justice, and I think you mean prosperity, not property).

Answer 5

No....I am not tired of hearing enforce the laws because they have never been done before. Enforce it first and we'll file off the rough edges as need be. After enough rough edges there may need to be revisions. Until then...enforce the law. We need to know the difference between a temporary problem vs a real issue that's needs attention.

Answer 6

It is a misinterpretation of the 14th amendment - it clearly states that foreigners are foreigners. Life and liberty are in the Preamble to the Constitution. We lost our private property rights in the Kelo decision a couple of years ago.

What the congress refers to as revising immigration laws is always amnesty - and we don't want that.

I say start with enforcing current laws and then place a moratorium on all immigration.

No one is denying a child it's parents - they are free to leave the country with their law-breaking mommies and daddies.

The main problem is we, the people were not represented in the immigration law change in 1965. That is the same law that mangled the 14th amendment.

Answer 7

You don't see any of these "realist" pro-illegals complaining when an illegal alien leaves their children in their OWN country and comes here to "make a better life".

But when it comes time to deport the illegal alien(s), THEN the children become an issue (as far as pro illegals are concerned). If the illegal aliens' children are left here, it's 100% THEIR CHOICE to leave them here. The same as it was 100% their CHOICE to come here illegally in the first place.

The same as it's ANY criminals CHOICE to break the law in the first place, no matter what it is.

I guarantee you we have people in prison as we 'speak' for relatively nonviolent minor crimes, and they have children as well. It was said once already, you don't pardon criminals for their crimes if they have children.

Answer 8

If we are going to see some law's as worth following, And some as not necessary..We are insane, And not so far removed from the law avoiding illegals. Maybe we need to look at whats out there. (Laws on immigration) and package them all into do, and don't do. Then at least do the ones on the do list. And really tally the actual cost per illegal to the American taxpayer...That would be a number to even stun a Trump. Then send a bill to Mexico...

Answer 9

When you start messing with the constitution, you are leaving us open to the rich and powerful making all the rules just like Mexico. Enforce the laws now.

Answer 10

Well... I'm not going to say if the laws are good or bad.

But I will say ENFORCE THEM TO THE LETTER EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Why? If they're good laws, then justice will be served.

If they're bad laws, then people will see how bad they are and they will be repealed by congress.

It's been said, with a lot of truth IMHO that "the best way to get rid of a bad law is to enforce it vigorously, thus exposing it's flaws to all".

~~Douglas