Tony C Q: Jews and atheists: Jesus prophecies part 2 (details)?

Question

Some say that Jesus is not the messiah because Jeconiah, an ancestor of Jesus was "cursed". Let's see what this "curse" was...

Jeremiah 22:30 - "This is what the LORD says: 'Record this

man as if childless, a man who will not prosper in his

lifetime, for none of his offspring will prosper, none

will sit on the throne of David or rule anymore in

Judah.'"

The verse is absolutely correct, which is why Jesus never

sat upon a throne in Judah. That doesn't mean he cannot be

king "ANYWHERE ELSE"! (heaven)

Selecting "none of his offspring will prosper" from the

rest of the verse is intellectual dishonesty, as there is

no period after that phrase. In other words, the phrase is

not meant to stand alone, rather it means that none of his

offspring will prosper as kings in Judah.

For those who say that Jesus is not the messiah because

one of the genealogies says he is son of Nathan and not of

Solomon, they are wrong because the genealogies in Matthew

and the one in Luke both show Shealtiel and Zerubbabel. In

other words, shealtiel and zerubababel have the "blood" of

Solomon, and so can trace Jesus back to Solomon no matter

what genealogy you choose.

Genealogies found in:
Matthew 1:1-16 Luke 3:23-38

Opinions?

Elaborating: Assume the messiah must come by person X.

One man says that X had a son named T and T had the messiah. Another man says that Y had a daughter who married T and T had the messiah. It is not logical to say that the messiah did not come from X because another man says he came from Y. The messiah has the blood of X and Y inside him.

Get it?

I asked this question before. No one answered so I deleted it after copy and paste onto a text file. Now I post the question again and it comes out with a space between lines.... Just great. Ignore the weird format and just respond please.

I added atheists, because soem atheists use jewish reasoning to disprove Christianity. If you don't care about the question don't answer. If you know what I am talking about and can build a case for it or against it, then answer.

Incarnatrix, the Jews use the new testament to disprove attempt to disprove Jesus. Please delete your answer so that I don't feel as if you are point gaming and have no idea what you are talking about.

Well the king of the world sits on a heavenly throne, not on David's throne in Judah.

I am glad JP answered, because no one who has answered so far (besides him) show that they understand what I am trying to explain.

The thing is the king of the world rules in heaven not "in" Judah, as the curse states.

"If he sits on the Heavenly throne, and not David's throne, then he is not HaMosiach, seeing as Mosiach sits on David's throne."

Please elaborate or state verses from the bible. In my understanding, an annointed one sits on David's throne, because David was annointed. Does that mean that HaMosiach has to sit on David's throne? Or is it just Mosiach, or any annointed one?

That was an odd series of questions. Let me put it simply:
Did you mean HaMosiach both times, or did you purposely take away the "Ha" at the beggining? Either way, please state some verses to support your argument.

Dances with unicorns I would love to respond to all of them but I have limited space. If you have patience, I will attmept to continue developing Jesus prophecies part 3, 4, 5 etc. The first one you stated though is kindoff answered in the first question I asked. Look at the questions I have asked. If you don't think I have focused enough on it, please say so here.

One second J.P. Answer in development...

Oh and yes, I do realize that. That is why I asked you if you were reffering to Hamosiach or just any annointed one. One second, let me go one question at a time.

There is no verse that states Jesus was going to be physically annointed with "Royal Oils", instead Jesus was annointed with Holy Spirit. (Adding more along with bible verses in a moment.)

Found it! John 1:33. And of course Mark 1:1-11.

J.P. lets not jump to conclusions here, the one who chooses the annointed ones was God, and will always be God. Normally, it was done with oil, but in the case of Jesus, it was done with Holy Spirit.

Ah, but what verse states that Jesus had to be annointed with oils? Is it not God who started the practice in the first place with Aaron?

The Jews don't want to be putting limitations to what God can or cannot do, and what the new convenant entails, right?

I got to learn how to make those straight logic symbols. It's like computer programming class in R&S.

A: Messiah
B: Annointed
C: choose by or as if by divine intervention

A ⇒B (Given)
B⇒C (Given)
A⇒C (transitive property)
C⇒true (Not sure how to do the other symbols you put.)
A⇒true (This isn't really MT because I am not denying what is denied.)

The Holy Spirit of God chose Jesus.

Alright this conversation will continue, but I am leaving to my grandmothers house (As last thursday). I'll cath you through IM another day. The definiton of eternal, might also clear up your argument that God does not exist because you proved a negative.

You see in that argument, you use the definiton of Theism that is the antynom of Deism. In other words, if you change to the definition of Theism that is the antynom of atheism then the argument is cracked.

I'll see if I can explain my point of view another day. Please write a response to this so that I can see that you also would like to have a conversation through IM.

Answer 1

Problem:

If he truly is the King of King and Lord of Lords, then by very nature of being King of Heaven, he is also the King of the Universe, and thus the King of Judah.

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If he sits on the Heavenly throne, and not David's throne, then he is not HaMosiach, seeing as Mosiach sits on David's throne.

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Mosaich -- Annointed One

HaMosiach -- THE Annointed One (to distinguish from the other Mosiach).

What Christians call 'The Messiah' is the Promised Messiah, or HaMosiach.

HaMosiach must pass through all that any of the other Mosiach pass through, including annointing with the Royal Oils.

Would you kindly show in the NT where Yshua bar-Ysef was annointed with them?

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Let me start with this:

You DO realize there are many, many messiahs in the Bible, correct?

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You're right. The NT has no verse stating that Jesus was annointed with the royal oils.

Thus, he did NOT pass through all that a Mosiach must pass through, and therefore is ineligable to be HaMosiach.

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Your verses claim he was annointed with the Spirit.

That is not a requirement for being a Mosiach. Being annointed with the Royal Oils is. And you've admitted that Jesus was not annointed with the Oils.

Thus, Jesus fails the test.

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Either he was annointed with the oils, or he fails to be Mosiach, and thus fails to be HaMosiach.

The Promised Messiah must be a Messiah.

To be a Messiah, one must be annointed with the Royal Oils.

A = Promised Messiah
B = A Messiah
C = Annointed with Royal Oils

A ⇒ B. (Given)
B ⇒ C. (Given)
∴A ⇒ C. (Transitive)
¬ C. (Given)
∴¬ A. (Modus Tollens).

I've even formulated it in straight forward logic, no ambiguity. ;)

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At no point does God change his mind and claim he will institute a new covenant.

If you look at the verses where Christians claim he will, in every single circumstance, he is speaking of renewing the Eternal Covenant.

What is Eternal cannot pass away (by definition of 'eternal').

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Your reformulation fails in that you change the definition of messiah.

Literally -- it calls God a liar.


Further, your logic boils down to:

A ⇒ B.
B.
∴A.

This is incorrect and does not hold.

For the symbols, I copy & paste from this site: http://www.zipcon.net/~swhite/docs/math/math.html

Answer 2

Jesus was not the messiah because:

1) He didn't bring world peace; hatred, intolerance, and war will cease to exist (Isaiah 2:4); clearly, there is no world peace. This forum alone is enough to demonstrate that there is no tolerance.

2) Predatory beasts will no longer seek prey, and agriculture will bring forth supernatural abundance (11:6 - 11:9); clearly, animals still seek prey.

3) ALL of the Jewish people will return from their exile among the nations to Israel, and the law of the Jubilee will be re-instated. (Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 23:8; 30:3; Hosea 3:4-5). Clearly, all Jews are NOT in Israel.

4) The Messiah will be a great political leader, descended from the house of David. (Jeremiah 23:5) Jesus was never a political leader of any sort. He was only descended from David through a valid line on his mother's side, but the mother does not determine house affiliation; the father does. If Jesus was Joseph's son, then he was of the discredited line you mention. If he was God's son, as Christians claim, he HAD no house, as God has no house.

5) The Messiah will be a great spiritual leader, well-versed in Judaism, and observant of ALL its commandments. (Isaiah 11:2-5). Jesus went so far as to declare at least one commandment regarding divorce as null and void.

6) Sacrifices will be made in the temple; these will be limited to thanksgiving offerings, as there will be no further need for expiatory offerings. (Zephaniah 3:13) As the temple at present is destroyed, this is clearly not occurring.

If he failed to meet even ONE of the prophecies, he is not the Messiah; Jesus failed to meet MANY, and as far as we Jews are concerned, was just a nice, young Jewish guy (and not a "rabbi") who tried to teach Judaism 101 to the masses.

Answer 3

"Links to another website will not be taken" Why would you expect anyone else to follow your links? We "dummies" will trust in our own research, thank you. You know, the kind done by real scholars, not some bible thumper with an agenda. ADDENDUM As I said, a bible thumper with an agenda. Yes, the gospel was written before Acts. No, it was not written before 70AD. Just because your opinion happens to place dates of 58 and 61 does not mean they are true. As stated by another poster, I can give you many sources, including Christian ones, that place the completion of BOTH works in the 80-85AD time frame, well after your so-called prophecy. Get over it. No amount of sarcasm will prove your bogus position. And yes. I went to Jerusalem and read all the original manuscripts, then I destroyed them. That's why there are no original manuscripts of any of the books of the Bible extant today. I got them all! Bwaaaahahahahah! Of course, the hard part was locating theses particular books, first, so I could bring them to Jerusalem, since they were, as I am sure you know (Ahem!), written outside Palestine. Enjoy your delusion.

Answer 4

Anyone NOT trying to turn the sentence inside out to justify their JC-savior argument would read 'none of your offspring will prosper', as a complete thought that stands on it's own. There is a comma after it, indicating it is a separate phrase from any that follow.
Besides, I saw a response from a Jew that listed several other political reasons why JC didn't meet the requirements of Messiah. Mostly, b/c he was not a political leader and he did not bring Peace to Israel.
It's pretty clear unless more twisting and taking words/phrases 'out of context' is involved.

Answer 5

So if you don't want to hear from Incarnatrix, I assume you are not interested in any non-Biblical comments. Then you shouldn't have put "and atheists" on your question. Very few of us use anything Jewish to defend our unbelief.

Answer 6

Ah, yes. Using the Bible to prove fulfillment of Biblical (and Judaic) prophecy. Completely unverified, of course.

And you wonder why no one accepts that answer...

Answer 7

umm...why did you include atheists in this question?
Nothing in your book can be rationalized with me. The bible also says that god created us from dust.

Answer 8

Uh-yes. That is exactly why I don't accept your christ as a deity.

You caught me. Now I believe.

Seriously?

Answer 9

Interesting, thank you

Answer 10

Elaborating? Enjoy! John

DOCTRINE OF THE ROYALTY OF JESUS CHRIST

A. Definition.
1. The adjective royal means kingly, pertaining to a crown. It's used
to describe a king as the sovereign ruler of people.
2. The noun royalty connotes the regal quality or nature of a king.
3. The connotation is portrayed in both the original languages of the
Bible. The Hebrew word used is MELEK; the Greek word is BASILEUS. Both
words are used in connection with our Lord Jesus Christ and in other
relationships.
4. The Bible not only recognizes the legitimacy of various concepts
and categories of royalty, but favors it.
5. Our Lord Jesus Christ now possesses three categories of royalty.
a. By virtue of His eternal and infinite being as God, He wears
the diadem of the royalty of His deity.
b. The royalty of His true humanity, by virtue of the virgin
birth, Incarnation and First Advent.
c. The royalty of His Hypostatic Union, by virtue of His
strategic victory of the first Advent.

B. The Divine Royalty of Christ.
1. His divine royalty is based on the fact He is eternal and infinite
God, possessing all the attributes of divine essence. This is Christ's
eternal and infinite relationship with the Godhead. Jesus Christ is eternal
God. He has all the attributes of God the Father and God the Holy Spirit.
He is coequal and coeternal with them. As the manifest person of the
Trinity, our Lord wears the crown of divine royalty, Jn 1:18, 6:46
2. 1 Tim 6:16 1 Jn 4:12. The title for His divine royal patent is Son
of God. This royalty has no beginning and no end. All Bible doctrine comes
from His divine royalty.

C. The Jewish Royalty of Christ, the Royalty of His Humanity.
1. The royal title of our Lord's humanity is Son of Man. The Jewish
royal title of our Lord is Son of David. The virgin birth introduces the
humanity of Christ to the world. The royal patent of our Lord's humanity is
the virgin birth, resulting in His humanity.
2. At the point of His virgin birth, our Lord Jesus Christ became
Jewish royalty as a direct descendant of King David in the tribe of Judah,
the family of Jesse. Mary is descendant from their son Nathan. Joseph is
descendant from their son Solomon, Joseph being Jesus' legal but not real
father. Mary's line from Nathan is recorded in Lk 3:31; Joseph's line comes
down from Solomon through Jeconiah (who is also called Coniah--see the
Coniah curse in Jer 22:24-30, and Jehoiachin, 2 Kg 24:6ff; Jer 52:31ff) and
is recorded in Mt 1:11. The Coniah curse is that the Messianic line would
at some point be cut off and not be descended from Solomon's line. This
curse was fulfilled at the point of the virgin pregnancy of Mary.
3. As Jewish royalty, our Lord fulfilled the Davidic covenant. In
resurrection body in Hypostatic Union, Jesus Christ will reign forever as
the Son of David. Mary became pregnant because God the Holy Spirit provided
the necessary chromosomes for her pregnancy.
4. Our Lord's promise of the Davidic covenant is found in Ps 89:33-37,
"But I will not break off My lovingkindness from him, Nor deal falsely in My
faithfulness. My covenant I will not violate, Nor will I alter the
utterance of My lips. Once I have sworn by My holiness; I will not lie to
David. His descendants shall endure forever And his throne as the sun
before Me. It shall be established forever like the moon, And the witness
in the sky is faithful. Selah." Cf. 2 Chr 21:7, "Yet the Lord was not
willing to destroy the house of David because of the covenant which He had
made with David, and since He had promised to give a lamp to him and his
sons forever." Acts 13:22b-23, "I have found David, the son of Jesse, a man
after My own heart who will do My will." We fail God, but the integrity of
God never fails us. "From the descendants of this man, on the basis of the
promise, God has brought to Israel a Savior, Jesus." This is the
fulfillment of the royal law.

D. The Hypostatic Union Royalty of Jesus Christ.
1. Our Lord's hypostatic union royalty is based upon His strategic
victory during the first Advent, when He defeated Satan during His thirty-
three years of executing the prototype spiritual life for the Church Age.
2. By living in the prototype divine dynasphere, our Lord was
qualified by impeccability to go to the cross and be judged for our sins.
That judgment is the beginning of the strategic victory of our Lord. It was
followed by His resurrection, ascension and session at the right hand of the
Father. The cross was the greatest battlefield in history!
3. This royalty makes Jesus Christ the ruler of elect angels and
regenerate mankind, Col 2:14 Heb 2:14.
4. The hypostatic union royalty was given to our Lord Jesus Christ as
a verbal commission, Ps 110:1,4, "The Lord [God the Father] says to my Lord
[the Lord Jesus Christ]: "Sit down at My right hand Until I make Your
enemies a footstool for Your feet. ...The Lord has made a solemn promise and
will not change His mind, `You are a priest forever according to the order
of Melchizedek.'" There is a complete break with Israel in this royal
family. Jesus Christ is a king-priest. The royal priesthood is formed in
the dispensation of the Church Age and every Church Age believer is a royal
priest, 1 Pet 2:5,9; Rev 1:6. This is a royal family born again into a
royal line. Our royalty does not come from physical birth because it
includes every race in the world, but from the new birth. You have the same
royal life to fulfill the royal law as our Lord Jesus Christ had on the
Cross to fulfill the royal law (Jam 2:8). The royal high priesthood of
Jesus Christ is confirmed in Heb 5:5-6; 6:19-20; 7:15-28.

E. The Titles of Our Lord's Royalty.
1. The divine title of royalty is "Son of God" (or Jehovah Elohim in
the Old Testament), Rom 1:4.
2. The Jewish title of royalty is "Son of David," Rom 1:3.
3. Our Lord has the royal title "Son of Man" because He made the
decision in eternity past as part of the divine decrees to come to the earth
and provide eternal salvation for the entire human race.
4. Hypostatic union royalty title: "King over kings, Lord over Lords;
the Bright Morning Star." "King over kings" gives Christ precedence over
human rulers; "Lord over lords" gives Christ precedence over angelic rulers,
Rev 17:14; 19:16; Rev 22:17.
5. The royal title "The Logos" is based on our Lord's decision to come
into the world and provide eternal salvation. This was an unknown title
until it was recorded in the word of God.

F. The Royal Families of Jesus Christ.
1. Divine royalty includes God the Father and God the Holy Spirit.
Jesus Christ always had this family in His divine royalty and always will.
2. Jewish royalty is the dynasty of David.
a. All His ancestors from David and Bathsheba down to his legal
father Joseph and His real mother Mary.
b. His stepbrothers: James, Joseph Jr., Simon, and Judas or
Jude.
c. His stepsisters: at least two, being also royal descendants.
Mt 13:55,56
3. Hypostatic union royalty is the royal family of God, every Church
Age believer. After His ascension and session, there was no royal family
for His third royalty. So the Age of Israel was brought to a screeching
halt, and the Church Age was inserted, the dispensation for the calling out
of the royal family of God. The Church Age is the mystery age, its
doctrines being previously unknown. Technical phrases are used to describe
the royal family: body of Christ, Church, bride of Christ, baptism of the
Holy Spirit, sanctification, and beloved brethren.

G. The Royalty of Christ Applied to His Name.
1. This is found in three words, KURIOS IESOUS CHRISTOS, meaning Lord
Jesus Christ.
2. "Lord" refers to His divine royalty.
3. "Jesus" means Savior, emphasizing the strategic victory of the
cross, resurrection, ascension and session, Heb 1.
4. "Christ" means anointed or commissioned one, emphasizing His Jewish
royalty. Its Hebrew equivalent is Messiah and refers to His Jewish royalty.

H. The Royalty of Jesus Christ at the Second Advent.
1. Each part of our Lord's royalty performs a specific function at the
Second Advent.
2. The divine royalty of Christ changes creation for the millennium,
judges ecumenical religion and removes it, destroys the armies of the world,
removes all unbelievers under the baptism of fire, and establishes perfect
environment for the millennium. In His divine royalty, Jesus Christ
controls history. Therefore, Jesus Christ judges the world both on the
battlefields of Armageddon and in the baptism of fire to surviving
unbelievers. Jesus Christ also establishes the Millennium and its 1000
years of perfect environment as the last dispensation of history, a parallel
to the first dispensation of perfection.
3. The Jewish royalty regathers Israel, terminates the fifth cycle of
discipline, establishes Israel as the last client nation to God in history,
fulfills the unconditional covenants to Israel, and causes Israel to become
a great source of blessing during the millennium.
4. Hypostatic union royalty makes Christ the strategic victor of the
angelic conflict and replaces Satan as the ruler of the world, imprisons
Satan for one thousand years, removes all demons from the world, and rules
the earth for one thousand years.

G. The Unknown Royal Title of Christ, Rev 19:12ff.
1. This is mentioned in Rev 19:12, "And His eyes [were] a flame of
fire, and on His head [are] many diadems; and He has a royal title which has
been written which no one understood except Himself."
a. The title has been revealed to the Church, but was unknown up
until the Church Age and it is still a prophetic title. Mt 11:27 is the key
to interpreting this verse, "All things have been handed over to Me by My
Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the
Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son determines to reveal
Himself."
b. The Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, has the right of determination
to reveal Himself. The Son has made the decision to reveal Himself in the
infallible word of God, which abides forever.
2. The Son has revealed Himself to His royal family, all Church Age
believers, in the next verse and gives us the name of this title. Rev
19:13, "He is clothed with a military robe splattered with blood, and His
royal title is designated The Logos of God."
a. The Lord Jesus Christ as a warrior is described in the
prophecy of Isa 59:17, "He put on righteousness like a breastplate and a
helmet of victory on His head; furthermore, He wore the uniform of justice,
and He wrapped around Himself a military cloak of zeal."
b. Rev 14:20 explains why this military cloak is splattered with
blood, "And the wine press was trampled outside the city, and the blood
flowed from the wine press up to the horses' bridles as far a one hundred
and eighty miles."
c. Isa 34:2, "For the Lord's wrath is against all the nations,
And His anger against all their armies; He has utterly destroyed them, He
has given them over to slaughter. So their slain will be thrown out, And
their corpses will give off their stench, And the mountains will be drenched
with their blood."
d. Other passages describe the same annihilation of the enemy,
Joel 2:20; (In Ezek 38-39 the Hebrew word "Gog" in this passage refers to
the king of the North involved in the Armageddon campaign. In Rev 20:7-9,
the Greek word "Gog" refers to the end of the millennium.) Ezek 39:2-5,
"and I will turn you around, drive you on, take you up from the remotest
parts of the north and bring you against the mountains of Israel. I will
strike your bow from your left hand and smash down your arrows from your
right hand. You will fall in the mountains of Israel, you and all your
troops and the armies who are with you; I will give you as food to every
kind of predatory bird and beast of the field. You will fall on the open
field; for it is I who have spoken," declares the Lord God." Isa 63:1-3.
e. There are three explanations and great doctrines that come out
of the title "the Logos of God."
(1) The Logos of the Word, that is, Bible doctrine.
(2) The doctrine of verbal plenary inspiration.
(3) The doctrine of the Logos of God.
f. The unknown royal title (HO LOGOS TOU THEOU--"the Word of
God") has been written in the infallible word of God for every Church Age
believer as royal family of God to see and understand for himself. However,
it should be remembered that even the revelation of Bible doctrine is not
known to us as it is known to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Nevertheless, we can understand this unknown title through the study of the
divine essence of Jesus Christ. Our understanding of the unknown title of
royalty includes not only inculcation and cognition of the divine attributes
of Jesus Christ as God, but the human attributes of Jesus Christ in
hypostatic union. Our Lord's unknown title is not hidden, but deliberately
revealed in Scripture.
(1) "The Logos" is the royal title of eternity past in the
divine decrees, Jn 1:1-3, which is based on four decisions Jesus Christ
made. (See the doctrine of Logos.) This is the title of the decisions our
Lord made in eternity past to become our savior.
(a) Jesus Christ made the decision in eternity past to
provide unlimited atonement by becoming the only efficacious sacrifice in
human history, the basis for our salvation. This was one day's work in
eternity past.
(b) Jesus Christ made the decision to propitiate God
the Father through His perfect sacrifice of Himself being judged for our
sins. As a result of going to the Cross and being judged for the sins of
the world, God the Father is satisfied with the salvation work of Christ on
the Cross--propitiation. This eliminates all religions in human history as
being efficacious to God the Father.
(c) Jesus Christ made the decision to reconcile mankind
to God through faith alone in Himself. As a result of our Lord's work on
the Cross, mankind is reconciled to God.
(d) Jesus Christ made the decision to become the
mediator between God and man, and therefore, equal with both parties--God
and man. Therefore, Jesus Christ made the decision to become true humanity
to become our mediator.
(e) Jesus Christ made the decision to redeem mankind
from the slave market of sin. The result of Cross is also redemption, being
freed from slavery to the lusts and desires of the sin nature. Every
believer is born spiritually dead in the slave market of sin.
(2) Because of our Lord's victory on the Cross, one day's
work, God the Father added a second eternal title, "The Logos of the Cross,"
1 Cor 1:18, "For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are
perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."
(3) At the second Advent there will again be one day's work
and another victory, and God the Father adds another title, "The Logos of
God."
(4) Each of these three royal warrants was awarded for one
day's work by our Lord.
3. Rev 19:14, "And the armies of heaven were following Him on white
horses, and they were clothed in fine linen, white and pure."
a. The armies of heaven which were following our Lord include
three army groups: all of the elect angels, all of the Church Age believers
in resurrection bodies, and all the Old Testament believers and
Tribulational martyrs.
b. Everyone followed Him willingly and was delighted to be there
with Him. This is the greatest march in all of history. All of these
armies come out of heaven. Each of these groups is made up of millions upon
millions of creatures.
c. Every creature who comes back with our Lord will be mounted on
white horses.
d. The fine linen is the eternal body.
4. Rev 19:15, "A sharp broadsword comes out from His mouth, in order
that with it He might strike the nations, and He will rule them with an iron
scepter, and prior to this He treads down the wine press of the wine of the
wrath of the anger of God, the Omnipotent One."
a. The armies that follow our Lord, both angelic and human,
follow the principle of Ex 14:13-14, "Stand still and watch the deliverance
of the Lord. The Lord will fight for you today." 1 Sam 17:47, "The battle
is the Lord's." 2 Chr 20:15, "The battle is not yours but God's."
b. Total annihilation of the enemy results in one thousand years
of world peace, the fulfillment of Ps 46:9, "He makes wars to cease to the
ends of the world. He breaks the bow and cuts the spear in two. He burns
the chariot with fire." Isa 2:4, "He will judge between the nations. He
will condemn many peoples. They will hammer their swords into plow shears
and their spears into pruning hooks. No nation will lift up a sword against
another nation, and they shall never learn war any more."
c. This is the fulfillment of the prophecy of Isa 9:6-7, "He will
be called Wonderful Counselor, the Mighty Hero, the Father of Eternity, the
Prince of Peace. There will be no end to the increase of His government or
of peace on the throne of David and over his kingdom to establish it and to
uphold it with justice and righteousness from then on and forevermore. The
zeal of the Lord of the armies will accomplish this." The Lord Jesus Christ
will be the greatest Judge in the history of the world. He will also be the
greatest solider in all of history.
d. The end of this verse has a concatenation (to link together as
in a chain) of genitives. This is very dramatic. The violence of divine
integrity destroys the violence of evil.
5. Rev 19:16, "And He has a royal title written on His military cloak
and on His thigh, "KING OVER KINGS, AND LORD OVER LORDS."
a. Our Lord's royal title of the second Advent is worn in two
places--on His military cloak and on His thigh.
b. He has a new royal title--"King over kings, and Lord over
lords." This title is His authority for rulership of the world.
c. In the custom of the ancient world at the time of writing
titles were written in these two places. An example of this is Myron's name
engraved on the thigh of his famous statue, the Discus Thrower.
d. The subordinate genitive identifies what is subordinate or
under the dominion of what is called a "head noun." This is called a
lexeme--two words of the same vocabulary describing the same thing. We have
two lexemes at the end of this verse. We have the same noun used twice,
once in the nominative singular and once in the genitive plural. The noun
in the nominative singular is the head noun or supreme noun, superior to the
noun in the genitive. The subordinate genitives should be properly
translated "over kings" and "over lords."
(1) For example, Mt 9:34, "He casts out demons by the ruler
of demons." The phrase "by the ruler of demons" is the genitive of
subordination, but it is not a lexeme. 2 Cor 4:4 describes Satan as the
present ruler of the world as "the god of this world." The phrase "of this
world" is a subordinate genitive, but this is also not a lexeme.
(2) Who are the "kings" over whom our Lord is "King?"
Mature believers of the Church Age who will rule with Him.
(a) Rev 5:10, "And You have made them a kingdom of
priests to our God and they shall rule upon the earth."
(b) Rev 20:6, "Great happiness and privilege and holy
blessing to those who are part of the first resurrection. Over these the
second death [the last judgment] has no jurisdiction, and they will be
priests of God in Christ, and they will rule with Him for one thousand
years."
(c) Rev 2:26,28, "Furthermore, the winner, even the one
who keeps My accomplishments until the end, to him I will give authority
over the nations."
(d) Rom 5:17, "For if by the transgression of one,
death rules through that one, how much more those who in life received a
surplus of grace and the gift of righteousness shall rule through that One,
Jesus Christ."
(e) 1 Cor 4:8, "You already have all you could wish,
you have already become rich, you have become kings without us; oh that you
did in fact rule so that we might rule with you."
(f) 2 Tim 2:12, "If we endure, we shall also rule with
Him; If we refuse Him [reject Bible doctrine], He also will refuse us
[rewards for time and eternity]."
(3) Who are the "lords" over whom our Lord is "Lord?" Elect
angels.