What can he possibly do??!!???

Question

One of my very good friends might be getting kicked out of the Airforce, I need your help.

He has already recieved 2 art 15s. One for underage drinking.. and another for a fight on base. (i was there when the fight happend, and the guys provoked Justin but he got in trouble still)

The fight was most recent, about 2mos ago. We figured everything was ok because he served punishment and never heard anything else from the commander.

well yesteday the commander called in him in his blues saying that they might kick him out. And that he has untill next tuesday to get as many "letters" as he could.

The problem is that they have already started to out process him. Making him turn in his id card and all of that.

my question is, WHAT SHOULD HE DO!!?? What should he wright his letter to the commander and who should he try to get letters from?

And has anyone heard of this before?? I just really want to help him!! =(

well for the fight he got charged with assult even though he didnt throw the first punch and thats all I know. i would call him but he has so many appts today because he said thay have already started out out process him.


..so since they have.. does that mean theres no hope?? =(

Answer 1

First and foremost... if he got in trouble for drinking, and for fighting, he's only got himself to blame for it and he needs to be held responsible for it. Dodging responsibility is not a good quality in life, and certainly not in the military. Nonetheless, they CAN kick him out if they really want to, and don't need a court-martial to do it, either. What he needs to do is get in touch with the staff judge advocate (commonly mistakenly called the "judge advocate general") and see what his options are.

However... if he has already started to outprocess and has turned in his ID card, it's probably too late. My guess is that they gave him some warning about it--and he should've gone to see the judge advocate in the first place, right after he got in trouble. Complacency gets you nowhere, whether in the military or not. Regardless of how this turns out... I seriously hope that your friend has learned from this. Acting like a kid or acting like a responsible adult is his choice, and no one else's; and it will determine where he goes in his life. It is not the military's job to babysit people who can't act like adults.

Answer 2

He does not have to meet a court martial before the commander can separate him....I'm guessing he is a first term airman? He can be separated under a couple of different programs, neither one good. He should have had an appointment with the Area Defense Counsel, not the Airmans Defense Circle, for both Art 15s. Did he go? He might have been better off he if had fought the second one versus accepting punishment.

Answer 3

If he's got 2 article 15s there's not a lot of hope for him. The AF is downsizing, and that means if you're a screwup they're not gonna waste any time getting you out. He should contact the ADC and see if they can help him. Also if he can get a lot of supervisors and other airman to stand up and say he's a good airman they might salvage his career. But they don't take your ID card until you are escorted off base the day of your seperation.

Answer 4

He is probably going to face a board which will consider whether or not to recommend his discharge from the Air Force for administrative reasons. What you have related shows that he is failing miserably to adapt to military discipline and rules. In the Navy, such an individual was characterized as "lubberly".
The letters he needs are his defense at the board's meeting.
Besides getting a discharge by way of a court-martial sentence, each branch of the armed forces can discharge someone for "other good and sufficient reasons as determined by the Service Secretary". And it's done all the time.

Answer 5

we all need to acept our consequences in life

you are a good freind to him but with him underaged drinking and fighting even if he didnt start the fight he knew his consequences all service members im sorry but he put his self in this position there is an opposite reacation for every reaction in life if he didnt wana get kicked out then mabe he shouldnt have put him self in that position


he needs to have some responsibility about him self the military teaches that along with respect and obvisously he didn not learn either so the military doesnt want someon that cant be responsible and respect there duties

Answer 6

He had to be court marshaled more than likely before they kick him out. What they are talking about *I THINK* is a "Character Statement".... He needs to have some supervisors that like him write him a character statement saying that he is a good airman, the more higher ranking people he gets to write him good character statements the better. I had to write on of my best male friends a character statements for something similar to this... they can not start to out process him yet... he will KNOW if he is getting kicked out.

*EDIT* What the first person is talking about in the Air Force is called Airman Defense Counsel (ADC), and yes he should get ahold of them ASAP...

Answer 7

If he was Marine Corps or Navy he could contact the Judge Advocate Generals office. I dont know what the Air Force equivelant is but he needs to contact legal and find out what he should do. Anytime something like this happens he is supposed to be notified of exactly what it is that he is being charged with or accused of.