Creationists - if you advocate the teachings of intelligent design, can you please explain its central tenets?

Question

Please:

1. Explain the "theory"
2. Provide its null hypothesis
3. Provide an example of an experiment to test the hypothesis
4. Explain how it is a scientific theory that competes with evolution and therefor should be taught in a biology class
5. Defend through fact and empiricism the notion of irreducible complexity

I suspect that very few bible thumpers even understand how to approach these questions. I think most religobots just know that intelligent design=creationism=christianity and that is good enough for them. Some religious autocrat jsut told them its science and like everything else, they believe it.

Exactly what I thought...non answers. Pointing to fellow crackpots who hold your position is not an answer. Saying god did it is not an answer.

Answer 1

There is only one necessary tenet. God did it.

Answer 2

I am actually a creationist...which is slightly different than ID, for it specifies who and how...two things left out by the more general I.D. ideas. So I shall give you what I can regarding creationism.

1. The "theory" is that God created the entire universe in 6 days in the specific order and time period found in Genesis.
2. The hypothesis is that one can prove that the universe had a designer, and that the original design was complete, not needing an "accident" to set things into motion. Further, this design can be seen in what is around us today.
3. Numerous experiments have been done regarding all parts of this. I'd like to point you to a sight dedicated only to this work... apologeticspress.org. Check out the 500+ page ebook (free) written by 2 ph.d.'s regarding human origins. The basis of any"experiments" is to prove that what we currently have in existance could not possibly, given any amount of time or any number of odds, happen accidentally. (BTW, did you know more biologists believe in I.D. than physicists?)
4. I.D....and creationism as part of that, is a more complete "theory" than evolution because evolution still has no "beginning." You'll also notice that, over the years, the time scale for evolution keeps getting longer; for to conclude such a theory requires pretty much an infinite timescale; thus producing a situation that cannot be tried and tested. Funny that this is the same arguement by which evolutionists often fault creationists.
5. I would point you again to apologeticspress.org and also to focuspress for some of this...it's just too much to go into here. There is also a good book out called, "The collapse of evolution" which is written on a H.S. level.

Answer 3

The basis of intelligent design Paraphrasing the creation story and approximate history until today (Extremely old school style) By David Watts 2/09 (Literal) Day 1 Genesis 1:1-5 states that God created the earth. On this first day the earth was a void in space staring at the sun. This was not the earth we know today. No plants and animals, a complete barren ball of water as land had not yet been introduced. (Literal) Day 2 Genesis 1:6-8 states that God separated the waters above and below. A shield of ice or mist was introduced into the atmosphere. The expanse between the waters was called “sky” and this was the second day. Basically, this is when He made our atmosphere. (Literal) Day 3 Genesis 1:9-13 states that God created land and divided it from the water. The world looked somewhat “Pangea” like in form, as the continents were all together. God than created all the plant life we see today. (Literal) Day 4 Genesis 1:14-19 states that God created the stars in the sky and the moon and set the revolution of the earth in motion around the sun. The Earth was not capable of sustaining life before this step. (Literal) Day 5 Genesis 1:20-23 states that God created the creatures of the sea and the air and he blessed them. Incidentally, this is the first blessing in the Bible. (Literal) Day 6 Genesis 1:24-31 states that God created all the land animals and than humans and gave us humans dominion over the Earth and told us to take care of it. (Literal) Day 7 Genesis 2:1-3 states that God rested on the seventh day and made it holy as an example for us to use one day a week as a day of rest. There was about 2000 years between the great flood when the waters above came and flooded the land and creation. Before the flood, people lived to be several hundred years old and the differing atmospheric conditions allowed for constant growth. As for dinosaurs, there were never any different species than what we see today. For example, if my dog never stopped growing over his 600-year life I’m sure he’d be as big as a house! These truths have often been cast aside but never disproven. During the flood the earth below the waters broke apart creating the continents we have today. The flood also dramatically changed the atmosphere, as there is no longer water above the earth. The new atmosphere accounts for the differing atmospheric changes and climate we see today as before the flood the earth would have been fairly temperate. After the flood there was 2000 years before God came to Earth in the form of Jesus. It has almost been 2000 years since Jesus came. His return is foretold in Revelation and many prophesies about that return are being fulfilled now. If you have any questions about creationism please feel free to let me know.

Answer 4

Intelligent design is a BELIEF not an observation.

There are no scientific facts because the BELIEF talks about something that exists before the universe was create. Genesis 1:1 reveals the God existed before He created everything we can observed.

For intelligent design to be a scientific theory, we would need observations about the unobservable.

Answer: Just because Einstein believe in intelligent design, it does not make Intelligent Design a scientific theory that explains scientific facts using the scientific method.

Answer 5

1.The universe, energy and life were created from nothing.
Mutations and natural selection cannot bring about the development of all living things from a single organism.
"Created kinds" of plants and organism can vary only within fixed limits
Humans and apes have different ancestries.
Earth’s geology can be explained by catastrophism, primarily a worldwide flood
The earth is young—in the range of 10,000 years or so


2. Molecular machines.

3. There have been no tests...they are what they are and are fully undefined by evolution in experimentation as they cannot be simplified and have not micro mutation beyond the parameters they serve.

4. It has not be proven void of merit, disestablished as a theory or illegitimatized as the primary concept of origins.

5. Study the Gecko, the Bat, the Eye, Saturn, the Crab Nebula...etc.

Love in Christ, ~J~

Answer 6

*sigh* It doesn't say anything there about those people not believing in Evolution. It says they are skeptical. ie. It lacks enough evidence to be conclusive in their opinions. I doubt even one of them would give "creationism" the time of day...

Note: The question asked was about creatonism (Evolution was only mentioned as a "theory" (a theory is not the same as fact), to draw a comparison to the fact that there should be some support for a subject before it is taught in school, a criteria which creationism does not meet).

Answer 7

So many people these days are confusing biblical creationism with intelligent design. "Intelligent Design is the study of patterns in nature that are best explained as the result of intelligence" (Dr. William Dembski). That's it; it says nothing of who the creator is and how he/she/it/they did it. Intelligent Design encompasses every "creation" story, even aliens seeding life on this planet.

Although it has been around, in one form or another, since the time of ancient Greece, William Paley is probably the most famous for using the design argument. In 1802, he came out with a treatise called Natural Theology. He began by arguing that if one were to discover a watch lying in the middle of nowhere and they were to examine that watch closely, the person would logically conclude that it was not an accident, but had purpose; it had a designer. He went on to argue that the overwhelming design in the universe is evidence of a Grand Designer.

Now, is this a valid argument? Well, we detect design all the time. If you find an arrowhead on a deserted island, you assume it was made by someone, even if you can’t see the designer. We can tell the difference between a message written in the sand and the results of the wind and waves on the sand. The carved heads of the presidents on Mt. Rushmore are clearly different from erosional features.

The thing is, reliable methods for detecting design exist and are employed in forensics, archeology, and data fraud analysis. These methods can easily be employed to detect design in biological systems.

When being interviewed by Tavis Smiley, Dr. Stephen Meyer said, “There are developments in some technical fields, complexity and information sciences, that actually enable us to distinguish the results of intelligence as a cause from natural processes. When we run those modes of analysis on the information in DNA, they kick out the answer, ‘Yeah, this was intelligently designed’ . . . There is actually a science of design detection and when you analyze life through the filters of that science, it shows that life was intelligently designed.”

And for those who put so much faith in peer-review, check this out: http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/index.php?command=view&id=2640&program=CSC%20-%20Scientific%20Research%20and%20Scholarship%20-%20Science

The four main areas the ID movement focuses on: Information Theory, Irreducible Complexity, The Anthropic Principle, and The Design Inference.

What about teaching it in school? I'm sorry, but I have to agree with George Bush: "Both sides ought to be properly taught . . . so people can understand what the debate is about . . . Part of education is to expose people to different schools of thought . . . You're asking me whether or not people ought to be exposed to different ideas, the answer is yes.”

Good science teaching should include controversies. But, whenever you mention this kind of stuff, evolutionists jump from their trees and start behaving as if someone had stolen their bananas. Apparently, academic freedom is for other subjects.

As Cal Thomas has said, “Why are believers in one model—evolution—seeking to impose their faith on those who hold that there is scientific evidence which supports the other model? It’s because they fear they will lose their influence and academic power base after a free and open debate. They are like political dictators who oppose democracy, fearing it will rob them of power.”

Most Christians I know don't want biblical creationism taught in science classes. What we want is for molecules-to-man evolution to be taught with all its warts (they are not even allowed to present evidence that would put evolution in a poor light). And we want intelligent design to at least to be presented. Unlike leprechauns and unicorns, etc., a significant percentage of the population believes in ID.

For more information, go to:
http://www.arn.org
http://www.discovery.org
http://www.idthefuture.com

Answer 8

You need to understand that "Intelligent Design" is a theory from the scientists camp, and is not a creationist theory. Yes, a lot of creationist are ridding it pretty hard-but its not ours, its yours!
We like it, and believe it is a great step in the right direction-but it does not go far enough. All of the "ID" fight in in the evolution camp.
Do you have any idea who came up with the idea of intelligent design? Why don't you research it?

Answer 9

1. All life on earth was created through the documented law of magic.
2. The hypothesis is that magic is the cause of spontaneous species generation.
3. I once saw a dude make a boat disappear on TV.
4. The scientific documentation of magic and how it relates to spontaneous species generation has been documented for thousands of years.
5. Magic.

Answer 10

You are so brainwashed it is unbelievable! You say that Bible believers believe because someone told them. Yet it is you who sat in a classroom and became brainwashed by institutional lies! What you think that your history books are correct? Give me a break! Schools have been lying to students for centuries! I believe through my own will and intellect. Not blind faith but, guided faith. Open your eyes to the fact that evolution is a crock and that archeologists and scientists lie to make their studies look real. Carbon dating is the most unreliable dating method on organic materials. Fossils have been rubbed with chemicals and filed down to suit the needs of the evolutionists. Wake up!

Answer 11

Good luck getting responses.

All I asked for in an earlier question was #3, but I didn't get any responses that actually provided experiments.

I got lots of responses that said "evolution is false and here's why" but none that actually explained why creationism was any better.