Does Anyone Believe that the Apocalypse has begun?

Question

With the war, disease and selfishness in the world today?? Do you believe that at least one of the four horseman is riding amoung us as we live our everyday lives?

Answer 1

HERE, this should help express my position, I wrote it while back. Sorry about the length but it is explainitory about ALL the HORSEMEN if you will read it. When I copy and paste this article in the window, the punctuation is lost.

THE SEALS OF REVELATION
In this article it is intended we share some thoughts on the Seals of Revelation chapters 6 through 8. It will be a very brief examination, only highlighting the subject. The science of prophetic studies, or eschatology, in use in this article is racial, national, Historicism, as opposed to Dispensational Futurism, and Preterism. It is a documented fact, and readily admitted by many, the Futurist and Preterist schools of eschatology have been subversively promoted over the years by the Roman Catholic Church and more recently some of her "whorish daughters", and the origin of these schools are "private interpretations" of primarily Jesuit priests. Obviously, it would not be wise to be an adherent to such, yet it is nonetheless also manifest the Futurist school of prophetic interpretation has, in the last 100 years, taken the predominant position in "Protestant churches". Preterism is on the rise as well, as people become aware of the short comings of Futurism. The Roman Catholic Jesuits developed further the eschatology schools of Futurism, and Preterism, from previous erroneous teachings, to name just the two main categories, as these have many factions under their umbrella of false doctrine, to take the heat off Rome and the Popes which the Historicist eschatology teachings of all the Reformers had brought forth. Huss, Wickliffe, Luther, Calvin, Wesley, all reformers held the Historicist position of prophecy. Augustine, with his "City of God" and other writings are an early attack on the book of Revelation and Daniel, not to mention the true Glad Tidings of the Kingdom promised to true genetic stock Israyl. This is why many want to attack these prophecy writings today. When the reformers began teaching who this book of Revelation, and parts of Daniyl, was pointing at, the attacks were revived and expanded by the Jesuits. Preterists teach all the prophecy, including most if not all of The Revelation, depending on the faction, was fulfilled by 70 AD. Amillennialism teaches there is no millennium rule and reign of Yahshua, thanks to Augustine primarily. However, earlier false teachers are spoken of on the subject when Peter mentions them as questioning "where is the promise of his coming?". Because Yahshua had not returned and established a literal physical Kingdom with genetic stock Israyl ruling with Him, some developed another glad tidings opposed to the true glad tidings for which sin Paul teaches they are "accursed" Gal. 1:8. Most of these promote a spiritualized kingdom of some sort, and thus a spiritualized Israyl, and a spiritualized return of the Messiah, thus no "millennial" reign of Messiah in a literal physical kingdom with literal Israylites ruling with Him, as the Prophets, Yahshua, Apostles, and Revelation foretold. Roman Catholics are primarily amillennialists. There are various factions within all these concepts, some even teaching the Messiah returned in 70 AD, still others that he returned at Pentecost recorded in Acts 2 in the form of the in-filling of the Spirit, and that there will not be a second coming as we are speaking of soon to occur. The Jesuits are the ones that promoted Futurism as well, which pushes all or most of Revelation into a future fulfillment with a single end-time individual coming to power they call "anti-christ". It was eventually carried further, with the Jesuits help, in the messages of Darby, then Moody, and even the Schofield Reference Bible, which apparently the Jesuits financed. In the last few decades Hal Lindsey, has been one of their main tools used to promote the Futurism lies, and it is now known he was not the author of some of the books carrying his name. It can be assured, all the reformers that gave their lives in the flames of the Roman Catholic Church's hatred did not, nor would they today, proclaim Futurist nor Preterist doctrine. The Historicist interpretation of prophecy, and the extenuating beliefs and messages that come from such, is for what, in some instances the very reason, many believers died.
The Book of Revelation given to the true believers was to, over the period of the "last days" of prophetic timing, educate the believer as to the progressive events leading up to the destruction of the last opposition kingdom to Yahweh's Dominion Mandate given to Adam and his birthright lineage. In other words, a calendar of events leading to the return of Yahshua and the manifestation of the fullness of the Kingdom on earth. Regardless as to when the believer lived during these "last days", which "days" last in essence 1000 years each in prophetic timing, they would have revealed guide posts telling them what was going on. Revelation was divided into 21 major events as it effected the people of the promise of Scripture, the true genetic stock Israylite, and the Adversary forces within 7 "church" ages. The first 7 major events are depicted in the Seals. The next batch of 7 were the Trumpets. The last batch of 7 of these original 21 events was the Vials. As this article is written, we are in the end of the time of the sixth Vial of Revelation 16 and the spirits like "frogs" are, and have been for a time, "croaking", gathering the nations for a battle. Soon Babylon will fall with the seventh Vial. Other than these 21 major events and 7 "church" ages we also find 6 major visions, Sun Clothed Woman, Little Book, Two Witnesses, Beasts, Rise and Fall of Babylon, and the Manifested Kingdom of Yahweh. Feel free to get some of our other articles.
Let's first remember: Revelation is a symbolic writing. The symbols can sometimes be identified by using other Scriptures. It is not guess work, vain opinion, nor "private interpretation". We have a more sure word of prophecy, at least those with the Spirit of Prophecy, which is the Testimony of Yahshua. We are the ones the war is waged against, for we keep the commandments of Yahweh and have this testimony of Yahshua, the Spirit of Prophecy. Most "churches" teach against the commandments of Yahweh and do not have the Spirit of Prophecy, thus no Testimony of Yahshua, thus the Adversary forces are not at war with those, for they already are in the grip of the Adversary, and are actually part of the Adversary's forces.
Rev 6:1-2 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
FIRST SEAL: - Lasting from approximately 96 AD to 180 AD.
As there is not space to detail the entire subject in this article form, suffice it to say, upon your own study, it is hoped you find that the four beasts around the throne are none other than symbolic of the lead houses of Israyl: Judah, Reuben, Ephraim, and Dan. Here are suggestive passages for your own study: Rev. 4:6-8, Isa. 6:2-3, Ezek. 1:5-10, Num. 2:2. It should also be pointed out, contrary to popular belief, the very mercy seat on the Ark of the Covenant was overshadowed not by two Cherub, as commonly depicted, but two on each end, one on each corner, or perhaps side, representing Israyl yet again. Why? For we are Yahweh's battleaxe and the people He will use to bring about His "final solution" to the Dominion Mandate promise. A study on the words "cor ner" and "end" in the description of this device should expose part of the coverup. The Lamb here spoken of is Yahshua the Messiah. Be warned, their are those that would promote themselves as the lamb, or his representative, yet are not.
Moving on to the Seal here opened, the Futurist school will usually tell you the one on the white horse in this chapter 6 is the Messiah going forth to conquer and will many times take you to Revelation 19 to defend their position. While similarities are apparent with the rider in 19 and this chapter, let it be known for a surety, they are not the same. In 19:11-16 we see Yahshua the Messiah, Dabar Yahweh, or "The Word of Yahweh". It is speaking of His second advent manifestation. He is coming to bring to total fruition the Kingdom upon the earth. Those that are with the chapter 19 rider, the way he is dressed, what he carries in his hand, his appearance, is very different. Above all, it must be remembered John was being shown things in symbol that would shortly begin to come to pass. To take all the text he has provided us and assign it to a time frame some 2000 years in the future, as the Futurists do, is erroneous. The Preterist will tell you it all came to pass in a matter of a couple of years leading up to and including 70 AD. To do this they, contrary to documented evidence regarding the writing of Revelation, date the writing of Revelation to around 65 to 69 AD, when it is known to have been written during the time of Domitian around 95 to 96 AD. So far, over a period of two prophetic "days", or 2000 years, much of Revelation has "shortly" came to pass. John wrote the Revelation Yahshua gave him, which was originally to Yahshua from Yahweh, with the intent that the things stated in it would soon start to occur and continue until the fulfillment of the Revelation, which finality is still yet future. The Preterist would say we are in the kingdom already, and this is part of the reason the Roman Catholic Church taught, and still teaches, they have the right to kill off all opposition to their supposed kingdom mandate. They think the kingdom is already manifest in fullness in their religious system. The New World Order loves such a religion. It is the same type of religion taught in Babylon. As quickly as possible the daughters of Rome are coming back under her protection. Therefore, the rise in Preterist adherents. However, this Revelation has been progressive throughout the time since it was given. Thus the historical fulfillment of much of Revelation is a fact not to be overlooked if one is to understand where we are in Yahweh's calendar of events, or His plan, His-Story. The white horse and rider of Revelation 6 have already rode on the pages of history. All the Seals and Trumpets are long past, generally speaking, as well as most of the Vials. But, the white horse and rider of Revelation 6 was a pagan leader, or spirit behind a series of leaders, that was in opposition to the true, genetic stock Israylites that were believers after 95-96 AD, approximately when the book was writing. If that is understood, both the Preterist and the Futurist schools begin to show their actual origin, the Adversary. Before the white horse the main force of opposition in all the empire had been "jews", as can be proven with the book of Acts. Acts 13:48-50, 14:2, 19-20, 17:5-8, 12-14, 18:11-13, 19:13-15, 20:3, 19, 21:27, 22:22-24, 23:12-15 are some references to show you this fact. Paul's "thorn in the flesh", this "messenger of Satan", was none other than these so-called "jews" causing him trouble. They got their's in 70 AD as a type of what is soon to happen on a larger scale. Nero's persecution also came upon true believers, which was limited to Rome and surrounding areas. Then Domitian's persecutions, which were kingdom-wide. It was during this time Revelation was given. As we progress through the Seals, Trumpets and Vials it is undeniable what system and area is being targeted by the judgment of Yahweh. As to this first Seal and the time of pagan Rome it is pointing at, it is primarily the "Cretan" emperors. We get that from the other details in the Revelation. The first of this particular series of emperors was Nerva from off the coast of Crete. This group of emperors, it has been suggested, is where the attachment of the identifying term "christian" is originally derived from later, at least with an attempted positive connotation. When Paul makes mention true believers are being called "christians" at Antioch, it was a derogatory name. A name of defamation. They were calling believers "idiots" and "liars", in other words. Many years later, after the Cretan emperors had come and gone and the faith had been highjacked by pagan Rome we find the term being used in an attempted positive form. In Webster's Seventh New Collegiate Dictionary ©1967 we see:



You will find with any good etymological dictionary that "Cretian", "Cretan" and "Cretin" are of the same origin, therefore the spelling is not at issue on this point. Paul quoted they were "always liars", yet were to be rebuked so they would be "sound in the faith", Titus 1. He is speaking of a religious people which had began to promote a false form of the faith! Where? In Crete! The Latin word for christian and cretin is the same, christianus. According to Paul, Cretian's where teaching lies. Is this where the modern christian comes by their false teachings too? This was a very early departure from the true faith. The true faith was never called "christian" by true believers.
The horse and rider here are marked as being part of the opposition if we will pay attention to the fact they are symbolic of Adversary forces. In Exodus 15:21 when Israyl had came through the Red Sea in leaving Egypt and the forces of Pharaoh had been destroyed, Israyl sings a song relating to what had happened. You can find similar concepts of horse and rider enemies with the Assyrians in Ezek. 23:6, in relation to Babylon Jer. 51:21, and in Haggai 2:22. All relate to enemy pagan systems Adversarial to Yahweh's people, physical, genetic stock Israyl. If you read our other articles, you would know that in the phrase "genetic stock Israyl" we are not referring to what is commonly called "jews". For they admit in their own literature they are not pure genetic stock Israylites but merely other nations that adopted the religion of Judaism. But when it comes to this horse and rider being an enemy of the faith given true Israyl the same is true in the Revelation 6 passage. It relates to pagan Rome. Rome, at the time worshiped "Mars" as the mighty one of War, amongst their "host of heaven". These pagans would dedicate animals to the things they worshiped and the horse was dedicated to Mars. The white horse was paraded and led in triumph to the temple of Mars when the Romans had festivals. Like Greece's goat, and Persia's Ram, the Romans would put a Horse and rider on their coins. These are historical facts pointing at the prophecy of Revelation with the first four Seals. Those believers living at the time would have noticed these symbols in Revelation.
As mentioned, this series of emperors was known as the "Cretan Emperors" and their dynasty consisted of Nerva, Trajan, Hadrian (this is the one that built Hadrian's wall between Scotland and England), Antonius, and Aurelius. Their symbol used during their dynasty was a bow, as in bow and arrows. It was stamped on their coinage in Crete, which had became a part of the Roman Empire in about 66 BC. The people of Crete were known for their skill with the bow. Later Cretans were ruling the empire, which was not common, as before this dynasty, excluding Domitian, predominately the emperors had been of Italian descent. The crown this rider wore is not a gold crown as we may think of today. It is a laurel wreath, as the lexicon's describe the word for "crown" used in this passage. This identifies him as the emperor. In the "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" by Gibbons, Rome is described as being at the height of their power at this time. They were going out conquering in many lands. Aurelius actually had a medallion struck depicting himself on horseback and a laurel wreath around his head, going forth conquering, and soldiers with bows in hand. This period of Rome's history, the fourth world empire of Daniyl's prophecy, is depicted in the first Seal.
Rev 6:3-4 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. And there went out another horse [that was] red: and [power] was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.
SECOND SEAL: - Lasting from about 185 AD to 285 AD.
The Futurist will sometimes tell you the red horse is communism. While Communism, or should I say, the spirit that brings it forth, because the same spirit is manifest in many ways, is assuredly referenced in Revelation with a global intent, this is not the place. For the Futurist school of thought to be true there would be an 1800 year gap in information for the body of believers! This is not possible, and yet remain true to the facts already referenced. The "earth" where peace was taken from is the "region" the text is referencing. Strong's Lexicon, as well as Thayer's tell us "region" is one of the meanings of the word used here for "earth". The area where the Roman Empire of the day ruled supreme. So, it is not a futuristic prophecy about Russia nor China at all. No, the red horse has came and gone on the pages of history as well. It relates directly to the next phase of the Roman Empire after the white horse had rode. What happened? When the Cretan dynasty came to an end, Rome began its decline very quickly. Emperor Commodus came to power and soon was causing a problem in the government. He was flushed out of the picture by assassination. The Red horse and sword depicts the blood of wars and battles Rome would spill within the empire, i.e. "kill one another"! In the space of about 90 years there were about 32 different emperors and 27 other claims on the throne, according to the historian Sismondi. Civil uprisings, revolution, degradation of government, and other discontent events plagued the empire. Assassination was the means to the throne in this time. The sword became the actual symbol for imperial power and authority. It symbolizes the violent nature of the times as well. Legions of Roman soldiers where being forced to fight against one another because of the factions and infighting of those various claims on the throne. Generals were promoting themselves. The sword would be given to the leadership in the military as a symbolic gesture of appreciation for fighting for the supposed emperor. The rider of the red horse were these various emperor's of Rome, or the spirit behind them, during this bloody transition time. The power of the Roman Senate was eroded as well.
Rev 6:5-6 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
THIRD SEAL: - Lasting from about 200 AD to 260 AD.
When this type of devastation has occurred in a region, as depicted in the Red Horse, the people begin to suffer severely. The Black Horse begins to ride in the region of this empire. Economic troubles, the rich getting richer, and the poor getting poorer, the inability for the society to function normally and so forth, would all result in such an environment. The balances, or scales, were also stamped on coinage of Rome during this time, as well as the coinage of almost all provinces of this doomed empire. Representing equity and justice according to some, "how much will you pay me to have your way" to others. Justice was not really to be had during the run of the black horse in the empire. Thus the black color, symbolic of an absence of light, and as such, symbolic of evil. It is also symbolic of the harsh and unjust taxation. The items listed in the passage, the oil, wine, wheat, etc.; these are what the taxes were being paid with, which they in-turn sent to Rome after, in 212 AD, Emperor Carcalla granted "rights and privileges" to the other provinces. Sound familiar? Our "benevolent" "government" stealing our Yahweh ordained "rights" and yet claiming to give them to us in the form of "privileges", for a fee for the "licenses" and "permits" of course. The "final solution" will deal with the problem soon enough. The soldiers were robbing and pillaging the people to survive. The people themselves were losing everything they had. The voice from the throne comes forth with the prices for the marketplace. Interesting enough is that during the reign of Alexander Severus, these are documented as being the same prices in his marketplaces for those items. The value of the silver denarius, the actual silver content, had been decreased. Sound familiar again to our time? This then can provide us with a means of dating the time line of the prophecy, and the "voice". Yahweh hates oppression. The people were being ground down to nothing. The financial corruption, high taxation coupled with the system of debt usury being practiced at that time, as well as our time, is hated by Yahweh. This Black Horse rode over Rome bringing it down further, preparing the way for greater judgement on this phase of this empire not only John is dealing with, but that Daniyl also was shown would be the last empire before Yahshua brings to total fruition the Kingdom.
Rev 6:7-8 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
FOURTH SEAL: - Lasting from about 245 AD to 300 AD.
If a nation has a period of greatness, then infighting and civil unrest, bringing forth economic troubles and a general breakdown of civil law and order, the next phase is only logical. Starvation, plague, famine, and of course death on an unprecedented scale. The western world needs to consider that now. The Pale horse rides across the then Roman empire and devastates even further this kingdom spoken of in Daniyl as the final empire before Yahshua returns to bring to total fruition the Kingdom Mandate of Israyl. These Revelations are but a part of the early stages of destruction and soon coming mutation the empire is about to undergo as was prophesied to occur both by Daniyl and John. The mutation will be away from the emperors ruling to a religious leader ruling, as history records happened. This Pale horse is one of the major death blows to the old style of emperors as well. The historians record that over 25%, or the "fourth part of the earth", of the population of the Roman Empire, the "earth" or "region" being dealt with, died as a result of the plagues and famine, the civil conflicts and so forth being ravaged on the inhabitants. Some 5000 per day were dying in Rome of plague at the height of this Pale horse time. These leaders cared not for the people at all. The rider of the Pale horse was named "Death, and hell followed", or better rendered "Death, and the grave followed". The people were dying, as was the empire. The vain imaginations of the other prophetic schools show just who's side they are on in the war of the Kingdom Mandate.
Rev 6:9-11 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of Yahweh, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Yahweh, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they [were], should be fulfilled.
FIFTH SEAL: - Lasting from about 303 AD to 313 AD.
When government leaders today are having trouble in areas of their responsibility they tend to find something to blame it on other than their own inept foolishness. They divert attention from the crisis to a supposed external enemy, or an internal minority they want you to hate. The emperors were no different. Nero burned Rome and blamed it on the true believers, thus many were put to death. Later Domitian came to power and the persecution continued, during which time John was imprisoned on the island of Patmos. Some of the worst times came during Diocletian's rule. During his rule, about 10 years of persecutions, many thousands were put to death, some historians put the number at around a million. For centuries it was part of the entertainment in Rome to see believers put to death through various means. This was not a one or two year period of such events.
Those deceived by the lie of the "serpent" in the garden, that of the immortality of the soul, "ye shall not surely die" mind set, will tell you these under the altar are literally the martyrs even to this day crying out for justice. Hummm, in "heavenly bliss" all these years and still got their mind on getting even? No. This is symbolic. The dead are in the grave awaiting the resurrection. They know nothing and are silent. The altar is reference to the Brazen Altar of Sacrifice where the blood of sacrificial victims were poured out. The blood of true believers is counted as part of this true sacrifice, see Luke 11:5, 1 Peter 4:13 and 1 Cor. 9:13. As the blood of Righteous Abel cried out Gen. 4:10, Heb. 11:4, so did these martyrs. It was not literally Abel calling for justice, nor these martyrs. It is symbolic of the cry for justice all the acts of injustice demands. Yahweh is the one that will render vengeance to those needing it according to Scripture: Deu.32:35, 32:43, Psa. 94:1-3, Nah.1:2-3, Rom 13:4, 12:19, Heb.10:30. Please note that there are two groups of Martyrs. The first batch are those that have suffered martyrdom since the time of Messiah through to the death of the pagan political phase of the Roman empire. The next batch of martyrs are those that suffer death at the hands of Rome after she put on the sheep's clothing, and the martyrs resulting from the other adversary spirits, dragon, and false prophet, and now her daughter protestants coming home. This process continues even to this day. The white robes are symbolic of the purity of the sacrifice and Yahweh's acceptance of their sacrifice.
Rev 6:12-17 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
SIXTH SEAL: - Lasting from about 313 AD to 395 AD.
The Futurist school of prophecy usually contend this Seal is obviously yet future primarily for the phrase "The great day of His wrath has come,". It is understandable, but still not correct. In Isa. 13:9 "day of wrath" refers to the death blow for the then Babylonians by the Medes and Persians. In Zephanyah 1:14-16 we have the great day of wrath and end for that period of Judah and Jerusalem from the Chaldeans. This same prophecy could be said to have a second fulfillment in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Yet, it must be remembered, the pagans are giving us their opinion as to what they are seeing take place. Their interpretation is automatically tainted. This "great day of his wrath" refers to the destruction bestowed on the Pagan Political Roman empire not by Yahshua, the true Lamb, but a counterfeit. It is devastating ground work before the empire's transformation into a religious empire known as the Roman Catholic Church. This "Lamb" is not the Messiah. It is thought to be so by those pagans of old, as well as those following in their footsteps today. In Revelation 13:11 it can be seen the false system has attributes "like a lamb". This "Lamb" and his "wrath" is how the pagans would have interpreted events regarding the disguise of their open pagan practices being replaced, or covered over. Also, the cretian/christian, the ones Paul rebuked, were expecting their lamb to establish a kingdom on earth. The earthquake, the darkening of the sun, and moon to blood, the falling of stars and terror upon the rulers are symbolic of historic events past, at the hands of, primarily, Constantine. The symbolic meaning of these words can be found in Scripture. In Hosea 10:8 the prophet is speaking of the downfall of the House of Israyl in basically the same terms. It is symbolic of the overthrow of political or religious powers. The judgment on nations, governments, kingdoms and so forth. Ezek. 32:7-8 speaks in similar terms to the downfall of Pharaoh and Egypt. Concerning a yet future judgment upon symbolic Babylon, Isa.13:10 has a similar typification. The four divisions Diocletian broke the empire into were ruled by himself, Galerius, Maximian, and Constantius. Constantius died in 306 and was succeeded by his son Constantine. Diocletian it must be remembered during this time had attempted to eradicate any religion not sanctioned by him. The cretians Paul warned us of, the "christians", had gained a formidable following, using their perverted teachings which were an "evil" mix of the true faith with Babylonian and Egyptian paganism. Civil war soon resulted in the divided empire. Nearing a battle, Constantine is supposed to have had a vision, or a visitation from an angel, depending on the story you believe, in which he is told to use a symbol, the Labarum, a P and X combination, or a "cross" †, again, depending on the story you believe, by which to conquer his enemy. Remember, we have been warned of angels and false visions in the Scriptures. Using this Satanically influenced friendship technique, the larger body of those claiming to be believers under the phrase "cretin" or "christian" sided with Constantine, as pagan aspects had already polluted the teachings of those, and from 324-337 AD he ruled as sole emperor. It was he that convened the Council of Nicaea of 325 in which he, along with many so-called believers, laid down some of the painted over pagan religion that would be called christianity, governed by the Nicene Creed. Constantine had issued the Edict of Milan in 313 AD granting toleration and freedom of worship for all religions in the empire. This stopped the persecution on the body of true believers for a while. He is termed the first "Christian" emperor by some today, under its newer definition. He is the supposed "Lamb" sitting on his throne in this passage, in the mind of the pagan world and those deceived by the cretian false doctrines of which Paul warned. It is through Constantine's rulings, prompted by the misunderstanding of prophecy these pretended believers had, the pagan Roman systems began to mutate. To this point we can see the darkened sun, moon and stars could have represented the decline and fall of the political pagan Roman empire. However, the pagans sun, moon, and planets, or "stars", they worshiped had also been overthrown, or mutated, by Constantine, as these pagan deities took on Scriptural names. They had fallen to earth and became named after people in the Scriptures. Heaven departing like a scroll when it is rolled up may suggest the coverup, or replacement of these pagan deity with Scriptural sounding names. This "scroll" could be the actual Scriptures as well, being put away as paganism and its doctrines take over. An example being the widespread acceptance of trinitarianism, leaving the previously more popular, and Scriptural teachings erroneously called "Arianism" which had been taught by Yahweh's missionaries to the Goths and Vandals long before Rome promoted the Babylonian/Egyptian Trinity, or as some call it, "Oneness", doctrines. Yet, there is a more likely typification! Joseph had a dream wherein the Sun, Moon and Stars bowed to him. These represented Jacob, Joseph's mother, and brothers. This blasphemous attempted take over by Rome of the true Kingdom Mandate given to Jacob and family, the scroll being rolled up, was in essence hiding this foundational truth of Scripture and replacing it with a false "gospel" or glad tidings message which persists today in the mind of most for they are tainted, deceived, by the whore and her daughters false teachings. The islands fleeing may depict no place of safety for other leadership under the guise of this wolf in sheep clothing, the supposed "lamb" in this case, Constantine. However, it is more likely, the mountains and islands being moved out of their place could also depict the repositioning of power offices under the guise of religious titles of leadership. The cries of fear and terror of the pagan leadership is the result, as they are no longer going to persecute the body of supposed believers, but be forced to pretend to be part of it or lose their power. Thus, their desire to be hid within the new system of rulership, or "mountains and rocks", the servant class would have made the switch as well, lest they suffer. It must be remembered, this is not an instantaneous event. This happened over a process of time. However, Constantine seems to be the initial and main player in the deception and its instigation. Or should I say the false vision, or visitation from the "angel of light" he is said to have had. Diocletian died in 313 supposedly insane when the Edict of Milan was given. Maximian hanged himself and his son, Emperor Maxentius, drowned in the River Tiber trying to escape from Constantine's legions at Milvian Bridge, where it is supposed Constantine had the vision or visitation from a supposed angel. This is how the wrath of "the Lamb" came on the Pagan Roman Empire, the persecutor of Yahweh's people for centuries. Through Constantine at first, this new system took on the pretended role of being "the Savior" or "Lamb" himself, returning to establish his government on earth. It is a farce. It deceives many an Israylite to this day. Later the office of Pope would carry this pretended rule. This is nothing more than an attempted theft of the "inheritance", as the Edomite "jews" had done earlier. Yet another attempt to take the Dominion Mandate from those it has been given. Therefore, the actual wrath of Yahweh has now passed to this new religious phase of the Roman empire in the historic time line. Therefore, the need for Trumpets and Vials to finish the work on the opposition forces, especially this false religion called christianity which rejects the Dominion Mandate, or Glad Tidings of the Kingdom promised to Adam and a remnant of his offspring, now exclusive to a remnant of physical, genetic stock Israylites.
Rev 7:1-4 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living Mighty One: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our Mighty One in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: [and there were] sealed an hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israyl.
This is the second phase within the sixth Seal. A series of 5 Seals have been opened and just "after" Constantine has done his "Lamb" routine in the first phase of the sixth Seal and we find true, Scriptural, genetic stock Israyl about to be sealed in their foreheads. As we have already stated, this is not so-called "jews". Yahweh's people are about to be sealed against another period of judgment to come on the religious Roman empire, as well as that left of the political empire claiming to be the true faith. Rome was pretending to fill the role for the Dominion Mandate. Apostasy from the truth of the Scripture will have a high price, as we find in the seventh Seal which includes events in the form of Trumpets and Vials, bringing us right up to our time. These four angels were to hold back the first four trumpets, or judgements on the Roman region, until true Israyl had been sealed by this other angel. This angel, or messenger, is likely Yahshua the Messiah bestowing the "Holy", or Kodesh, Spirit upon Israyl. Matt 3:11, Mark 1:8, Luke 3:16, John 1:33-34, John 15:26, Eph.1:12-13, 4:30, these tell us who the sealer is and the seal itself. But, who does He seal? Israyl. Ask, are they Israylites before they are sealed? Yes. Is this then some spiritual Israyl of which it is talking? Impossible! They are already Israylites before they are sealed. This is literally physical Israylites making their journey across Europe to the "appointed place" of Scriptural prophecy and promise. Literal genetic stock Israyl traveled across Europe under the names of Khumri, Cymri, Massaetae, Cimmerians, Scythians, Celts, Angles, Saxons, Jutes and so forth. Many eventually settled in the Isles of the Sea called today the British Isles, certain areas of Scandinavia, and areas of Northwest Europe. Ultimately they spread out as prophesied to what is now the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and etc. This "House of Israyl" has fulfilled the prophecies of Scriptural Israyl. These are the Israyl sealed in their trek across Europe during this time. But why? In House of Israyl's Assyrian captivity, a period of 2520 years, "seven times of punishment", as promised, began. It was only after the Reformation, and the "little book" was brought forth to the Israylite's that the great empire of Yahweh's people had a major growth, and that the realization of who they actually were began to be remembered and spread, though Yahweh has always had a remnant. This understanding has been growing because of what is about to happen very soon. It also must be remembered Yahweh owns us, as understood in 2 Timothy 2:19. True Israyl belongs to Yahweh. They are His covenant people. When the seventh seal opened many Israylites were still making the trek across Europe and needed protection. This was not an event that lasted two or three years. It was an event that has lasted to this day. Many Israylites are still not at the appointed place, or in the lands of actual promise. The descendants of these true Israylites are the ones to be used to bring about the Dominion Mandate, blessings to all the world. Actually more than just servants to Yahweh, we are friends, John 15:13-15, Isa. 41:8, 49:3. The 144,000 is not a literal limited number. It is symbolic of a regathered Israyl. Why is Dan left out of this list? Because the tribe of Dan, hundreds of years before, had already arrived in the appointed place, known as Tuatha de Danaan. Dan was known as the pioneers of the tribes of Israyl. They were sea faring very early, perhaps even before the other Israylites left Egypt.
Rev 7:9-17 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our Mighty One which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. And all the angels stood round about the throne, and [about] the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped the Mighty One, Saying, Halleluyah: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, [be] unto our Mighty One for ever and ever. Halleluyah. And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of the Mighty One, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and the Mighty One shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
The final phase of this sixth Seal is the false system portraying itself as savior to the world. Most in the historicist eschatological viewpoint will tell you John is having a vision of what will occur in Revelation 21. However, we take a different position on this passage, as the timing would be wrong and there is no need for redundancy here. It does however line up with events depicted in chapter 21 of Revelation, but only as a farce. The Mighty One dwelling in the midst of his people, Rev. 7:15 and 21:3; the Mighty One wiping all tears away from their eyes, Rev. 7:17 and 21:4; and eradicating all hunger and thirst for those under authority, Rev. 7:16-17 and 21:6. Yet here, it is the false system and throne established to take care of her adherents. The system that would be so deceptive that is should deceive the very elect if it were possible. Therefore, before it came forth in full power, the Israylite remnant was sealed. Only they would see the difference. Notice in this false system the adherents wash their own robes, where before the white robes had been given to the martyrs. A works based supposed salvation. The blood of this lamb is not the Blood of the true Messiah, the true Lamb, but the blood of the false messiah, found today in Rome's pagan communion or mass which relates directly to sun worship, tammuz, Ham and the like. Notice the multi-racial, multi-cultural, yet deceptively white robed appearance of the bishops in this Babylonian inspired false religion called christianity. This may be some of those which had given their previous lives, or rather positions of state, for positions in the religion elevated by Constantine. Notice they have "angels" or rather "messengers", "pastors", around the farce throne of this religious counterfeit. This could be attributable also to a mind set that claims the "church is the kingdom" the throne of the pope, the claimed shepard of the supposed sheep rules the world and all are subject to him. That twisted mind set gives them automatic permission to kill off all opposition. The new world order loves that! Yahweh does not dwell in temples made with hands, but this temple is a physical place. This "great tribulation" spoken of is the trouble this pagan system, and its adherents, face in the warfare between the true kingdom adherent and this fake one headed up by an impostor. A counterfeit "great tribulation". While he promises them the world and a hereafter for a fee, the real result is nothing but death. Empty promises from a deceiver. Daniyl saw four beast powers as well, counterfeiting the true system of Yahweh. This false system has these four beasts surrounding the throne. These are not the four beasts of the lead houses of Israyl. Please note, this was just "after" the sealing of the tribes. Not 1600 years later.
Rev 8:1-13 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. And I saw the seven angels which stood before Yahweh; and to them were given seven trumpets. And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer [it] with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. And the smoke of the incense, [which came] with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before Yahweh out of the angel's hand. And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast [it] into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.
SEVENTH SEAL: - Lasting from about 400 AD to end of age of Esau
This Seal includes the 7 Trumpets and the 7th Trumpet includes the 7 Vials. The last three of these trumpets are described as woes. The silent time mentioned is a short span when peace and tranquility was had in the empire after the seeming conversion from paganism to painted over paganism, or christianity. This is the period of time when many true believers let down their guard and gross apostasy took deep root, and has plagued seekers of the true faith ever since. Trumpets were used to sound alarms or pronounce judgment was at hand. Between 375 to 476 AD imperial Rome in the West was basically finished, this being symbolized with "voices", "thunderings", "lightnings" and "an earthquake". All being punishment sent on this false system right from the altar. The trumpets are warnings to Yahweh's people as well. This "angel", or "messenger", or "pastor", is apparently Yahshua the Messiah. He is the High Priest for the body of believers. The Golden censor is an instrument of the High Priest in the temple and the tabernacle. Hebrews 4:14 tells us this High Priest is Yahshua. The incense has nothing to do with the Roman Catholic priestcraft. That is a farce system exalting itself above Yahweh and His promises. Their false messiah, Jesus Christ, whom the pope represents on earth, is nothing more than the old pagan messiah of Babylon, Tammuz. Yahshua is the man raised up from amongst the brethren promised through the prophets to be Messiah, the Redeemer, agent of Yahweh. We hope you will prepare to meet Him.

Answer 2

There's always been war, disease, and selfishness in the world. Our own time isn't unique in any of those regards.

World War II killed 70 million people. The "black plague" wiped out at least a third of Europe. These are just two examples of historical events of the past that were worse than anything we've got going on today.

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Answer 3

I believ that that's beginning. that's already informed previously that substantial worldwide activities, failures and such could initiate while it became the drawing near the brink of apocalypse. See what's occurring? there is the distinctive Tsunamis in many areas of the worldwide, Indonesia, as an occasion. Then thre are thechain of erupting volcanoes. Then the wars between religions, if that's not an indication of the initiating of the apocalypse, i don't know what's.

Answer 4

No. The truest nature of the Tribulation period isn't known to man until after the Rapture. While a lot of the conditions described are being lived in many countries around the world today, it's NOTHING like the grand scale it will occur on during that final seven year period.

Answer 5

No, it has not. But the climate in the middle east is setting up for it to begin. As promised in the bible, it will not begin until the anti-christ appears, and there is peace and abundance for several years. Then, it all falls apart--the apocalypse/Armageddon--because he attempts to defeat the dear sweet children of Israel with a host of armies.

Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

Answer 6

There has always been war, disease and selfishness in the world. No, I don't think the Apocalypse has begun.

Answer 7

actually, i think it has.
i mean there are SO many signs.
just read the bible.
war, famine, droughts
& think about all the people in china
the "million man march comming from that area"
and how the united states will eventually fall
look how bad it is doing now
especially with the united states taking money from china!
all the signs are here
it's just people continue to deny the fact that the end is comming

Answer 8

Disease, famine, war and death have been around every day of every year for at least the past 5000 years.


If this is the Apocalypse they are taking their own sweet time about it.

Answer 9

Ha. Compared to ages in the past the war, disease, and selfishness in the world is pretty mild. I don't think you'll be growing rockets in your heels and flying up in the air any time soon.

Answer 10

Well, yeah, because there was no war, disease or selfishness in the past. Oh, wait, there WAS, wasn't there? So, I guess this isn't the apocalypse after all. Whew!

Answer 11

Since the second world war till now, there were only 5 minuts of world peace.
People have always been selfish.
Nothing has changed. The world is the same as we know it