The universe is NOT infinite (it's "finite yet unbounded" - Einstein 1954) so why does the "creator" of the universe have to be infinite? As an example all Creationists will just love, a watch is finite and the watchmaker is finite too. If a watch was infinitely large, that would be a different story, but it's not!
2007-11-15 01:21:13 · 14 answers · asked by I'm an Atheist 3 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Maybe I should have dumbed down the question for the religious by referring to God as omnipresent and omnicient, but it's too late now.
2007-11-15 01:29:47 · update #1
Mello Yellow: learn to spell and we'll talk again, ok?
2007-11-15 01:40:10 · update #2
Not in the slightest.
One doesn't need unlimited potential and capability in order to create something limited in form and function.
2007-11-15 01:30:31 · answer #1 · answered by Lucid Interrogator 5 · 1⤊ 0⤋
As far as your theory on the universe goes I can't say, but I'll agree with it for the sake of the argument (and because I think you're probably right).
While you are an atheist, I am not, however I am not a Christian either.
People like to attribute many aspects to their deity, especially one that is as old and successful as Yehova (people did found 3 religions based around him after all).
However, Christians, paticularly some of the ones online, are usually all talk. They listen to what their pastor's and youth leaders tell them to, maybe read some scripture, but never go through the entire text and history of their faith. I can't really blame them, people are busy doing other things to get by in life and such study could take awhile and be depressing, but it does perturb me that they make arguments on topics they have not adequately studied, or just spout off dogma instead of giving their personal experience (which would really be more convincing in most cases).
If you were willing to read Genesis and take some notes you would realize that God in that story can:
1. Create the universe
2. Speak with the dead
3. Influence humans natural lifespan
4. Walk between Heaven and Earth
5. Influence natural occurrences.
This is about the first six chapters of Genesis.
However, as God eventually sends the Flood, it is hard for me to see that God is all knowing (if he knew he would have to go tabula rasa on creation after humanity ate the apple, why not just press the restart button on creation right in the garden of Eden?) . Also, if God was all knowing, then why did he set the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in Eden anyway if humans were not supposed to eat from it? I have my own theories, but they make a lot more sense when you take out God's incredible foresight.
So does God have finite boundaries or laws that he cannot go beyond? If you look at the Bible and apply some logic it certainly seems that way.
Also, if you are looking for a religious debate I know there are some good ezboard forums on the web where people actually do their homework before replying and can make a rebuttals and you can make a counter rebuttals. It is a very enlightening experience.
If you don't want to be depressed by the lack of well thought out answers, you should probably steer clear of this place, and I should probably heed my own advise.
2007-11-15 10:41:00 · answer #2 · answered by nwyvre 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Sorry, but I'm not really sure how that point is relevant. Just because the universe is finite does not mean the one who created it has to be finite. Think about it, whether you believe in God or not, the people that do believe in God, there not infinite, yet God created them. The universe and the world is filled with finite things. Why would an infinite God only have to create everything infinite? On the contrary, I happen to think there is nothing infinite in God's creation at all.
My point is this, if you don't believe God exists that's fine. You just need to have a more compelling argument.
Give a rebuttal, don't give me the spelling cop out. It was one word which I caught immediately, and yes, before you posted again, but it had already went into cyberspace.
Like you never misspelled anything before, give me a response.
Your argument makes no sense whatsoever. An infinite being is just that infinite. He has the power to create any size universe he wants. Limited or unlimited.
2007-11-15 09:35:59 · answer #3 · answered by Mello Yello 4 · 0⤊ 2⤋
You know there are several ways to define either God or a higerself than us, but we could never be sure what the real answer to that question is...we dont even know for sure what created the universe, but if we look at this statement here and i got this from a book i've read and im pretty sure you've heard of it, its called The Secret, and James Ray (Philosopher) said that "You go to a quantum physicist and you say "What creates the world?" And he or she will say energy. Well describe Energy. Okay. It can never be created or destroyed. It always was and always has been. Everything that ever existed always exists. It's moving into form, through form and out of form. Okay, great. You go to a Theologian and you ask the question "What created the Universe?" And he or she will say God. Okay, describe God. Always has and always has been, never can be created or destroyed all that ever was always will be always moving into form, through form and out of form.
You see it's the same description, just different terminology."
2007-11-15 09:29:41 · answer #4 · answered by Turkishxwarrior 1 · 0⤊ 2⤋
See thats a question that can not be solved the unverse is infinite maybe we havent explored the whole thing it could just lead to a white place just white everywhere like ina few old cartoons who knows God created everything for a reason and we try not to question that,.
2007-11-15 09:25:29 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 1⤋
Your questions are dependent on your definition of God.
You have to define the creator before you can apply a definition to the creation. Your analogy with the watch is backward.
There is no point to agreeing or disagreeing, but make your assertions based on proper sequence. Then a discussion will make more sense.
2007-11-15 09:29:08 · answer #6 · answered by Lorenzo Steed 7 · 0⤊ 1⤋
I guess it depends on your perspective. I would not every feel that I was an equal or had any advantage. I never feel that way about another human no matter who they are.
Edit: by the way we still do not actually know the size or actual age of the universe.
2007-11-15 09:29:49 · answer #7 · answered by Old guy 5 · 0⤊ 1⤋
How do you know the universe is not infinite? You been to the end of it? Did Einstein?
2007-11-15 09:25:32 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 2⤋
Einstein work was theory...a guess. God is finite...
2007-11-15 09:25:32 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 1⤋
Sorry - but thinking about infinity just seems to hurt my brain with nothing productive at the end of it all.
2007-11-15 09:24:38 · answer #10 · answered by cheir 7 · 3⤊ 2⤋