Feminists, do you think it is a good thing or a bad thing...?

Question

For women to go around discussing their preferences (size, circumcised or not) in men's genitalia in a forum in which the objectification of women is rightly condemned?

Is it "liberated", "empowered", "women being able to express their views without shame"? Or is it blatant hypocrisy, objectification, and a reflection of our society's debased moral climate all around?

(We'll see if THIS gets deleted too, since I didn't use ANY derogatory language.)

Giggly, I left out "payback" because I didn't want to suggest pettiness. But it's a reasonable point.

Bijou, thanks!

Oh, and Bijou, I think you are quite right that some of the women are (knowingly or unknowingly) giving some unsavory guys a cheap thrill!

Kinz, you're right. The ethical questions do sometimes require it and people's arguments pro and con about hygiene, cancer risk, consent, cruelty, religious tradition, etc., are all fair game.

Recently, I hesitantly answered a question concerning shaving because the ethical and psychological issues were relevant. So, there are ambiguous cases.

Answer 1

I think it's totally stupid to even be talking about guys in this way because guys value isn't based on the size of his genitalia.
Why do some people always make such a big deal out of what size a guy really is?
If smart, intelligent, good I.Q. level women had a choice between smart, intelligent, good I.Q. level men with small sizes and low I.Q, level losers with large sizes then these smart, intelligent, good I.Q. level women would choose the smart, intelligent, good I.Q. level men with small sizes.

Answer 2

Discussing personal preferences is not objectification. Objectification simply means to regard the other gender simply as an object to be used, not as a living person. I would never condone that behavior.

I don't think there are any truly bad questions, if the intent is to learn, not inflame or provoke an argumentative response. I do not harshly judge the intent of a question. I try to give questioners the benefit of the doubt. I have answered and asked some questions for my own knowledge regarding circumcision and male genitalia. I respect and love all humans and never mean to cause harm or bad feelings.

I hope that men feel liberated in G&WS and aren't afraid to ask questions or answer without shame. I do believe that there is too much male bashing going on in our society today. It's sad, it seems to me that the tables have turned, men are now the ones being oppressed, silenced and repressed.

I request tolerance on Yahoo Answers it is open community knowledge base that we can all truly learn from.

Take care.

Answer 3

It's hard to give a blanket answer to a good question.

I do not take issue with a woman who says she prefers a tall man, or a thin man or a fat man or a guy with a big smile. We all do have our preferences in these things, and are smart enough to know (mostly) that diversity in preferences gives everyone a good chance for a match. I certainly won't be changing my hairstyle because a few women prefer short or long hair.

The circumcision thing and topics like that are a different matter. I react to a women who thinks circumcision is fashion topic in the same way as I react to a man who thinks female genital mutilation "looks cute" same animal - different gender. There is a street of difference between cosmetic changes we all make as a matter of personal preference, and changes which are enforced on unwilling children who have no say in the matter. In other words imposing their own (often barbaric) preferences contrary to the freewill of those they inflict them on.

It's about where you draw the line, and what impact (both socially and in terms of human rights) personal opinions have.

Finally, I suppose, with reluctance - that I prefer people to state their opinions because on issues like circumcision and female genital mutilation - the argument needs to be won, and it can only be won if it is out in the open subject to scrutiny and debate.

I would rather be able to tell someone that their opinions objectify others and explain why than let it go unchallenged, unspoken. Here and elsewhere.

Answer 4

Hurt ppl hurt others ... so, I'd imagine if a person was hurt by being objectified, they would wanna balance this by becoming the objectifier rather than be objectified.

IMO, I do giggle when topics come up ... I don't dismiss them, nor do I encourage them ... I just giggle. I really don't try to correct those talking about it 'cause women often use converstaions to heal ... and since healing is good for many, let them heal ... unless they're just super cruel & give that bad energy that I tend to run away from (man or women's bad energy).

Answer 5

once you enable one individual to circulate to a courtroom and acquire a legitimised act of violence against yet somebody else devoid of information - that isn't a danger - it is an act of violence. once you supply one individual a unfastened experience in employment, and exclude yet another - that isn't a danger - you're winding up an act of violence against the 2nd individual. Now proceed that reasoning for a on the same time as on all the matters that feminism pushes so demanding to get and to hold directly to, no longer equivalent with, yet OVER adult males. preparation probability, marking,discrimination in scholarships and get right of entry to, divorce, newborn custody, newborn help, alimony........and the checklist is going on and on. Now you know why feminist and feminism have become swear words. Get a clean word then. EDITS:- "in elementary terms anti-feminists and chauvinists are threatened by using real feminists, as in, those particularly going for equality. The unsettling element to many adult males is the unconventional feminists who think of they deserve greater rights." (**coughs**). Pause for a 2nd, Pilgrim, and look at the inconsistency of those statements. Anti-feminists = chauvinists = those threatened by using 'actual' feminism'? Then the subsequent line. With me? honestly you advise that anti-feminists are actually not threatened by using actual feminism, yet in elementary terms by using fake Feminism, and chauvinism has no area in objecting to a boot planted on your neck and is a completely separate concern having no longer something to do with anti-feminism?

Answer 6

Hi Gnu,
Well I don't really have a problem answering others questions,but sometimes if the question didn't justify any means or was asks to make personal attacks then that's when I would have a problem with it.

Answer 7

i am strongly against circumcision, not for any superficial reason (i could care less whether a guy is or isn't in terms of aesthetics) but because it an unnecessary, traumatic, and painful procedure that should not be forced upon children who have no say in the matter. women who announce that they prefer a circumcised "member" are just as shallow and ignorant as men who pronounce they like fake breasts or extremely thin bodies. i agree, it's degrading to talk about men or women in terms of a specific body part.

Answer 8

If people want to ask questions regarding personal preference in the opposite sex, I guess I'm OK with that. but I agree this is not the correct forum for that.

Answer 9

LOL, i must say i really look forward to your posts.
i think it's in poor taste really, unless you know who you are talking to very well. besides, i wouldn't want to give the badduns any amo or jollies for that matter.

Answer 10

Very good point!

-- A Hardcore feminist.