The Baton fighting stick?

Question

How bad would it hurt to get hit with one of those baton fighting sticks? If you dont know what I am talking about its this thing>

http://www.tbotech.com/images/telescopic-steel-batons/telescopic-steel-baton.jpg

Answer 1

Getting hit with any solid object would hurt. Several companies make the expandable version, but the most popular is ASP. They can be purchased from key chain size, the size in your link, and standard size, including the PR 24 style. At one time, they even came as an attachment to fit on the end of a flash light. These batons can be used to enhance a straight punch, or a sideways strike. Extended, they can also be used to block a punch if properly used. Because they collapse, they are easily carried, and are made from several different types of materials.
http://www.uws.com/ASPBATONS/HomePage.html

Answer 2

Baton Fighting

Answer 3

From experience....

I carry a 29" (I think its a 29") ASP on my belt, but use it only when I have shed, or did not have my full size baton in my ring.

I prefer the old school baton. Seemingly more powerful strikes, and less skin breakage and blood with the wood baton. When that thin metal blade of the ASP pushes flesh onto the bone it splits right open. I guess the slightly softer wood keeps the skin from ripping open.

The less scumbag blood flying around, the better. Plus, that damned ASP seems to bend more often than the baton breaks when those hard boney surfaces are struck. Damn shin bones.

Answer 4

I'm assuming you're talking about the expandable 16" or 24" straight steel batons. It depends on how well you're trained with each of them (ASP vs PR-24 vs straight baton vs collapsible PR-24). The advantage of the ASP is the size, and it does provide a decent amount of striking power. The standard PR-24 has much better striking power but is more unwieldly for normal carrying - much like the standard straight baton. For that reason, I prefer the collapsible PR-24. It weighs a little more than the standard PR-24, but has all of the other benefits. It all depends on what you're trained with and how often you practice. Calif Deputy

Answer 5

It hurts pretty bad, let me tell you. In training we were struck with padded batons on the sides of the legs and even with padding I thought I was gonna hit the ground. Impact weapon training restricts where you can strike a subject based on the level of force that is being used against the officer. Large nerves that run close to the surface of the limb are commonly struck to cause immediate pain and temporary incapacitation of the part. The common peroneal and radial nerves are very effective areas to strike to gain control over a resisting subject. Striking a subject on the head, neck or torso isn't recommended unless you are justified in using deadly force.

Answer 6

It hurts really bad.
My partner swung and missed with one, and the follow through caught me on the thigh.
I used curse words I didn't even know I knew.
Like Eric, I also preferred my PR-24
Besides being sturdier, it worked well when I needed to break out a window and it just looked more threatening than the ASP
My first FTO had the old wood stick - couldn't carry it but kept it in the car
He spoke lovingly of giving "mahogany lobotomies."
Way before my time.

Answer 7

Nothing much to add. It does smart and it will probably definitely leave a mark. I have used my ASP several times and it worked just like magic.

One comment I would like to make. Combat is not static. I might swing at your thigh but if you're moving around like a lunatic and I crush your knee cap then you only have yourself to blame.

Blows to the head and lower back are considered lethal force. You are permitted to swing at the head, lower back, groin, etc. in lethal force situations. Not everything is off limits all the time. I love it how the villains always think they own a monopoly on ruthlessness. Hell I can run you over with my patrol car under the right circumstances.

Personally I like my Taser.

Answer 8

That item is called an ASP. It is not a fighting stick it is intended as a method to subdue an person, like mace or tazer. They have been found to be largely ineffective.

Their biggest strong point is that the metal tubular blade collapses into the handle so they are easy to carry.

They are most effective when used in a vulnerable area like the side of a knee or elbow. Otherwise they must be used to the head or to the point that severe damage is done.

It is generally bad publicity to crack open one's skull. The spray or tazer interrupt vital body functions, which makes them effective.

I imagine it would be very painful, depending on where you were hit.


Hey squirrel boy, I guess you never used the word zipper, Velcro, Tylenol or other items identified by their originator's name for it. Lighten up.

Answer 9

THE COLLAPSIBLE BATON OR ASP.

IT IS STEEL AND COLLAPSES BACK TO CARRY IN A 8" SCABBARD. EXTENDED IT IS FROM 12-18 IN DEPENDING ON MODEL YOU WANT.

IF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN HIT BY A BASEBALL BAT MAKE OF ALUMINUM THEN OK.

IF NOT IT HURTS. TAKE A STEEL PIPE AND HIT IT ON A SURFACE. NOW STRIKE THE SURFACE WITH A BLOW TO THE THIGH. WILL RENDER YOU TOO YOUR KNEES.

WE LEARN PRESSURE POINTS OF WHERE TO STRIKE, AND HOW TO INCAPACITATE RATHER THEN MAIM

Answer 10

It will shatter your bone. It can also kill someone if hit in the wrong spot

EDIT: You are not allowed to hit people in the knee or elbow with the batton. You are suppose to hit them in the meaty part of their body, ie. thigh, forearm, calf etc....
If you hit them in the knee or elbow and shatter their bone you or your department could be sued.

My apologies Copgirl but i'm also a LE Instructor and I realize people call it by the brand name. I was not re-fearing to you when I made the comment about how to use it.

alaskamush: I just read your profile and I see you are retired CG. Semper Paratus. Did 10yrs myself.