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Although there were forty historians during the time when Jesus was supposed to have existed, only three mention Christians, but not Jesus himself!

One of those historians, Eusebius, even admitted to forging and making up references to jesus in the historical record!

http://www.mountainman.com.au/essenes/author_Origen.htm

The works of Tacitus are also under scrutiny as being forgeries.

Since there is no historic reference to Jesus, what is keeping people believing?

Also, there are no Roman records for the existence of Jesus either. The ones christians use are posthumous and only show that there was a story made up about a Jesus - with no first hand accounts whatsoever, only tales of first-hand accounts!

2007-11-12 10:37:27 · 34 answers · asked by John Galt 2 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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Why does anyone make up anything? For attention... praise... even fame!? Money!? For some warped sense of legacy!? To be part of something they're not!? To control and mislead!? The list goes on and on.

2007-11-12 10:41:29 · answer #1 · answered by I, Sapient 7 · 4 6

You call the bible and all the writings within it - non historic.
What about the writings of Pliny the Elder, and better yet Pontius Pilot who crucified Jesus. You refuse to believe all of the first-hand accounts, but my friend there are many.

Constantine and the Roman Catholic church religion added much pagan tradition to Christianity to make it similar to the other gods and goddesses that had great temples and traditions, but this does not refute the existence of Jesus Christ.

The Holy Bible is the most contested book of all history and it carries the writings of the people who knew Jesus Christ. The Bible has stood the test of time and your little Australian contradicting website will not change a thing. The Roman Colliseums fed the Christians to lions and hung women in rope baskets and let bulls gore them and the Christians would not reject Jesus the Christ.

There is way too much history about Jesus for you to make this statement. Also without Jesus why would anyone call themselves Christian. Jesus is the Christ.

2007-11-12 11:08:50 · answer #2 · answered by Jeancommunicates 7 · 1 0

It seems that the Jews of that time wanted a pagan god-man for themselves that was like previous god-men like Isis and Horus who had very similar life stories to that of Jesus. To them, the Gnostic Christians, Jesus was not a literal person, but an example of how one should live one's life and how one could undergo the transformation of dying and being reborn anew into the mysteries. The Gnostics wrote a lot of gospels, which were more like a passion play than a story about what literally happened. The Gnostics believed that Jesus did not literally exist, whereas the Christians believed that he did. It is interesting to note that the Gnostics considered Paul to be a great Gnostic teacher, while the Christians considered him to be a great Christian teacher.

I googled Flavius Josephus; Seutonius, and Pliny the Younger as was suggested. None of them were alive during the time of Jesus.

I googled Pontius Pilot, who was born in 26 A.D. Jesus died between 29 and 36 A.D., so Pontius Pilot would have been 3 to 10 years old at the time of the death of Jesus.

2007-11-12 11:04:59 · answer #3 · answered by Dr. WD 5 · 0 1

I think the reason Jesus exists is because scholars try so hard to disprove him and his works. Notice how EVERY person who wrote about Christ or even mentions him comes under scrutiny. And its easy to attack dead people, especially when they can't answer you.

Lets examine the reason of WHY we would want Jesus to be fake: 1) I can do whatever and whomever I choose. 2) I can use the slogan "Only the strong survive" on my friends and workers, and not have to worry about it. 3) I am easily capable of doing things I know are wrong with relative ease. I mean JUST WHO do I have to answer to? The Law? If I'm smart enough, I can buy it...

2007-11-12 13:38:06 · answer #4 · answered by Da Mick 5 · 0 0

This is a brief outline from the material given below as source.
That 'Jesus' was based upon the life of 'Jmmanuel' but there were some changes made to the story.
1. Jmmanuel was resucitated, as he was near death, and taken to be dead.
2. Judas the apostle did not betray Jmmanuel - that was another man entirely.
3. After having recovered from his wounds slowly, Jmmanuel and his mother Mary left for India - she died en route - being old and fragile. He eventually settled in Kashmir where he spent the greater part of his life - and is buried there.

2007-11-12 10:57:00 · answer #5 · answered by TruthBox 5 · 0 1

People would make it up to have power over others. Paul was a petty criminal before he latched onto the image of Jesus and completely changed the meaning of his teachings. What a great con.

Why do people keep believing? Simple - lack of education. They don't read the whole bible. They don't know what is in it and what isn't. They know nothing of the history around the alleged time of Jesus, and they don't know the complex history of the alterations and mistranslations of biblical texts. They just know what they're told in church, usually by someone who knows none of those things either.

2007-11-12 10:57:37 · answer #6 · answered by Morgaine 4 · 0 1

No Roman records for the existence of Christ? Tacitus under scrutiny? By whom? Are you a professional historian? My best friend is. Holds a Ph.D in History. He says your totally ignorant and need to stop referencing atheist websites and others that are obviously hostile to such matters. He says it makes you look retarded. Rants like your have been soundly crushed many times in here. Google Flavius Josephus; Seutonius, Pliny the Younger, etc before making such embarrassing assertions.

2007-11-12 10:55:49 · answer #7 · answered by Wired 5 · 3 2

The time Jesus is said to have existed is inconsistent too. Of the 4 gospel writers, two give no account of Jesus' birth. One says he was born in the reign of Herod who died in 4 BC, while another says he was born during the census of Quirinius who took charge of Syria and Judaea in 6 or 7 AD. different lineages from david to joseph are given. One says he was 28 in descent, but another says 41. One says joseph lived where jesus was born, while another says he went there for the census. Flavius Josephus has only two brief mentions of jesus, and they were surely added later by Christians trying to boost their new religion. One is badly out of context, so it is a crude addition. josephus gives a detailed history of Old testament events, so he surely would have devoted much space to Jesus, if he had existed.

2007-11-12 10:48:23 · answer #8 · answered by miyuki & kyojin 7 · 1 2

The first point I want to make is that I'm Atheist, and I don't believe Jesus was the son of God.
But I do believe that he existed, maybe not with the same name, but there was a man who rebelled against the Jewish church and started his own, well, kinda cult. I know there's non-biblical evidence to support this, I'm just to lazy too recall it!

However to answer your question: there is a good motivation for making up the history of Jesus by the Romans. They would have written the history books favourable to the Empire, and maybe Jesus embarrsed them. But maybe you are right, and that even the historical Jesus is made up!

2007-11-12 10:49:41 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0 4

Well, the Roman government did use it to control people. So there would be my guess. I don't think it matters if Jesus was real though- he taught some great stuff, and I take what he said with the same respect as I do any other religion. I just don't like the Old Testament, or what Paul wrote.

2007-11-12 10:40:37 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0 3

Whether he lived or not, do you deny the truth of his teachings? Love thy neighbor, give to those in need, remain humble, etc.? I could care less if he ever existed because I think we can all follow his humble example. Ghandi was a Hindu, but lived a life more like Jesus than anyone else in the 20th century.

2007-11-12 10:41:26 · answer #11 · answered by Anonymous · 1 2

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