Seperation of Church and state?

Question

Ok so everyone is making a big to do about Obama running for presidency because his father was a Muslim. (I believe he is a different one himself though dont quote me on that) However Im confused...what difference should it make what religion he is? Church and state are supposed to be seperate...we have a christian in office and we cant get anything passed with stem cell research and more and more people are against abortion for religious reasons now.

Answer 1

Indeed. I'm much more interested in a candidate's platform than his or her private religious beliefs.

For the record, Obama's father was raised Muslim and his mother was raised Baptist. As adults, his father was an atheist and his mother was agnostic. Barack was raised in a non-religious household.

He became a Baptist in his early twenties, and has been a practicing Christian ever since.

Answer 2

So, exactly where are you going with your question?

Is it:
> Obama and his religious belief?
> Bush and stem cell laws?
> abortions?

Well, since I don't have the opportunity to get your reply, I'll wade through the quagmire and try to address a few of these potential questions.

Obama - I'm not part of that "everyone is making a big to do" you mention.
I don't care what his religious belief is.
He's a professed Christian (he's a member of the Trinity United Church of Christ, in Chicago).
Does it really matter what faith his father was?

Bush is an insensitive man who can't separate fact from fiction...and not just in the case of stem cell research.
He claims to be "pro life" but the fact is, his denial of that research spells death for many people who might otherwise benefit from the results.

Abortion is something that no government should involve itself.
This is a very personal matter between a woman and her faith and/or conscience.
To have lawmakers (and predominately male lawmakers) issue restrictions or outright ban on abortion is morally wrong.

These same lawmakers (most being Republican) are the very same people who say they want LESS government intrusion into our personal lives.

What a crock!
Stem cell and abortion aside, try to recall the invasion of privacy a few years ago in the Terry Schiavo right-to-die case!
Talk about indignity and invading privacy!

Under the current administration, the only separation between church & state is when it doesn't fly under the ideology of the Republican party.

Answer 3

"We have staked the whole future of American Civilization upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God" James Madison, chief framer and architect of the U.S. Constitution.

52 of 55 people drafting the Constitution were Christians.
27 of the signers of the Declaration of Independence had Bible seminary degrees.
34% of documents written between 1760 and 1805 quoted the Bible; no other source was quoted more frequently.
94% of all quotes by the Founding Fathers were based on the Bible.
The term "wall of separation" was never used in any official document. It was written in a private letter to the Danbury Baptist Association by Thomas Jefferson reassuring them that no one denomination would be favored over another.
Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black rewrote the 1st amendment in 1947. He did not include any precedents in this decision even though the Supreme Court had previously declared America as a Christian nation in 1892 and in 1931.

Answer 4

If a person is a certain religion and it is sincere, they will be that religion all the time. If something comes up in law of the president's religion vs the country, and the president believes his religion, he will vote for the religion against the country. Religion is more basic that the country. People do things in support of their own religion that are not necessarily good for their country. The Muslims believe all Christians should be converted or killed. Is that what you want for a president?

Where in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights does it say church and state cannot work together? It doesn't. The closest it comes is only to say the government cannot make someone else go to its religion.

Answer 5

Church and state are never divorced from one another.And that isn't even getting into the fact that Jefferson's opinion was in a personal letter,and never fully quoted by Secularists.Western Culture is based on Christianity,like it or not.So,it is important to thinking people to examine the moral and religious background of their leaders.Lack of doing that in the past 45 years has resulted in Secular Humanism governing our nation.We do not have freedom of religion anymore.We have an attack on Christianity these days.And Bush is a Skull and Bonesman,not a Christian by any means.

Answer 6

Religion makes no difference whatsoever but the US has turned the Muslims into the enemy and are poisoning peoples minds with hatred towards them. Of course a big deal is being made about Obamas father being Muslim, what did you expect? You're at war with them.

Answer 7

No federal funding for stem cell research? What on earth are you talking about?

Doctors have been working for years with adult stem cells, and have made remarkable strides in treating disease and disorders. Stem cell research has attracted both private and public funding.

You must be referring to embryonic stem cell research, which entails the harvest stem cells from the destruction of a human embryo. There are legitimate differences in opinion as to whether such research is necessary, beneficial, or deserving of public (government) funding.

Answer 8

I heard that Romney is the 'odd man out' for being Mormon.
The Treaty of Tripoli (section 11) says that America was not found on Christianity but most Americans don't realize it and the majority who vote think Christians are the ones with morals the country was based on.
So, if they think Obama is Islamic, they assume he won't have the same morals/ideas.

Answer 9

I don't see any reason for a fuss because his father was a Muslim. As long as he keeps religion out of the government or schools, or anything that people who are not of that religion have to attend I'm fine with that.

Hopefully the stem cell thing isn't because of religion. It could help so many people....

Answer 10

Where does seperation of church and state appear in the constitution?

I'm afraid to say you will not find it. That's because it doesn't exist. It came from a private letter from Thomas Jefferson to Danbury Baptist, in regards to their fears that the government would set up a state church, like England did (which is why the states declared their independance from England in 1776). So this bull about "seperation of church and state" is just that- bull. It was used in 1962 by the Supreme court to take prayer out of schools, though there was no precidents used AT ALL!!!! That means that our Supreme court abused their power, and with one case, reversed the direction of this country.

If you still don't believe me, search it for yourself. Seek out the truth. Read through the Declaration of Independance. God is referred to 4x in it. Read the constitution. You will not find any reference stating that politicians have to remove religion from their lives in order to be in office. Read the state constitutions and oaths of office- You will find that the originals stated that the men who took office were to be men who not only believed in God, but were Christians. Christianity permeates through our history. Seperation of Church and state has been abused, and we need to stand and fight back.