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I just wanted to know if you have to ignore the following verses in your Koran to live peacefully with your non-Muslim neighbors?

3:28 "Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers."

3:32 "Allah loveth not the disbelievers."

4:91 "Take them and kill them wherever ye find them. Against such We have given you clear warrant."

5:51 "Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. ... He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them."

9:73 "Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end."

How do you obey your scriptures with regard to this?

2007-11-12 04:40:01 · 9 answers · asked by pixie_pagan 4 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

If I have taken these verses out of context, please tell me what is the proper context.

Thank you

2007-11-12 04:44:58 · update #1

9 answers

3:28. Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah. except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.

3:32. Say: "Obey Allah and His Messenger.: But if they turn back, Allah loveth not those who reject Faith

4:89. They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-

90. Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (Guarantees of) peace, then Allah Hath opened no way for you (to war against them).

91. Others you will find that wish to gain your confidence as well as that of their people: Every time they are sent back to temptation, they succumb thereto: if they withdraw not from you nor give you (guarantees) of peace besides restraining their hands, seize them and slay them wherever ye get them: In their case We have provided you with a clear argument against them.

5:51. O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.

9:73. O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.


My Qu'ran reads the same as yours The Qu'ran, Muslims say is not corrupt yet how could this be? I have included surounding verses to show these suras mean exactly what they say....Yet Muslims deny these suras, I find it amazing.

2007-11-12 09:30:57 · answer #1 · answered by djmantx 7 · 9 0

I'm sorry but I have to answer this. There is no context to the quran. It's not in chronological order, it's in order of length sort of. The only "context" is whether the verses were revealed in Mecca when Muhammad was peaceful or in Medina when Muhammad became belligerent, dogmatic and intolerant. Most of those that you mentioned are from Medina, Muhammad's violent time. Since they were revealed after the "peaceful" revelations, they are the ones to be followed. Of course most Muslims will deny this. Ex-Muslims will tell the truth. Ibn Warraq wrote about this in his book "Why I am not a Muslim". Medinan chapters of the quran are 2,4,5,8,9,22 and 47.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a Somalian born Muslims who escaped an arranged marriage and fled to the Netherlands. She has death threats out against her for speaking about the violence of islam, especially to women. She wrote in her book "The Caged Virgin" that when she was young, if she said something nice about a non-Muslim, her mother and grandmother always said, "No, they are not good people...If they were such nice and good people, they would have become Muslims and then Allah would protect them against evil." (in the preface of her book, pg. X). She also warns about Western societies giving in to the islamic culture. It needs to be questioned and changed. She comments how non-Muslims are the ones protecting the Muslims that speak against the violence of islam, especially towards women. These are not my words...these are from people who lived it.

God Bless.

2007-11-12 09:10:59 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0 1

Well since you asked, I shall inform you:

1. the first verse you mentioned is mistranslated. the word is not 'friend' the word is 'patrons'.

2. This verse does not distinguish anyone. Islamically speaking, we take every verse in the Quran as if it was addressed to us. And if we dont believe we will not be loved.

3. You didnt type the first part of that verse: If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 4:91

Hence, it is not saying: go kill them, it says go fight them when they war you. Happy?

4. Again, the translation is missing a word. That word is: 'some/certain'

Full translation: O you who believe, do not take [certain] Jews and Christians as allies; these are allies of one another. Those among you who ally themselves with these belong with them. GOD does not guide the transgressors.

5. Again, youve left out the first bit of the verse: O you prophet, strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern in dealing with them. Their destiny is Hell; what a miserable abode!

This verse is addressing the prophet, not muslims in general and for all time.

Now, do you understand why Im so content and happy and comfortable as a Muslim??

2007-11-12 04:52:10 · answer #3 · answered by Antares 6 · 6 5

No doubt those words may be taken out of context ,the fact is some Muslims are living every bit of it .This question should be directed to the immigration departments of the countries you mentioned.Why do they assume it makes sense to let these people into the country and let them be miserable?

2007-11-12 07:01:55 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 4 1

As salaamu 'alaikym, my friend.

Insha'Allah, yes, you have taken the verses out of context (and, obviously, deliberately so in what appears to be an attempt to slander Islam) as you well know.

Insha'Allah, one must read the whole of the surrah with an understanding of the historical and sociological circumstances in which a particular surrah was revealed, how it was understood upon its original revelation and how, with that understanding in mind, it can be applied to this day and time.

Insha'Allah, the other problem that immediately arises is that you are reading the Holy Qur'an in a language other than the original Arabic. Regardless of how good a translation may be, it is still a translation and thereby has lost some of the original meaning, as well as the literary flavor and, esecially in the case of the Holy Qur'an, the poetic beauty.

Insha'Allah, taking verses from scripture out of context is a "Christian" practice, which they have often used within their varying sects to "prove" one sect is better than another, that one sect is "truer" than another to the "teachings" of Jesus (ie. the prophet Isa, sallaahu 'alaihi wasallaam), etc. all the while bashing one another in the most "un-Christian" and judgmental of manners and ways.

Insha'Allah, within the surrahs that these ayahs were taken from, there is the further explaination that these revelations were made during times when the "non-believers" were waging war upon the ummaah in an attempt to destroy Islam and the community, during a time when these non-believers had broken treaties that they had made with the Muslims, and generally proven themselves to be totally untrustworthy.

Insha'Allah, in these same surrahs, we are also taught that if our enemies cease attacking the community, if they sue for peace, etc., we must stop fighting with them and grant their request, even upon their terms! Remember and realize that if one is "winning" a war, one does not sue for peace, so this is telling us to be gracious even in victory and completely fair and just even to those who have attacked us!

Insha'Allah, in other surrahs contained within the Holy Qur'an as well as in some of those which contain the ayahs you site here, you will also find it said that there are among the Jews, Christians and Sabians those whom Allah, Subhanna wa Ta'ala judges as being righteous and who will enter paradise, just as we are told that some who profess Islam will not be found righteous.

Insha'Allah, despite your misguided efforts and your ill intentions, should one actually read the Holy Qur'an (even in a translation until they are able to read in Arabic) with an open mind and open heart, learn about the lived example of the Last Prophet of Allah, Subhanna wa Ta'ala, Muhammad (sallahu 'alaihi wasallaam) and then actually meet and get to know Muslims as human bings rather than as an image distorted upon their television screen and shown during the nightly news, they will , at least, come away with a respect for Islam, for the Prophet (saw) and for Muslims, they will, at least, see the social justice presented within the Holy Qur'an and understand how many thousands of years it was ahead of its time and they will, at least, come away with an understanidng of why Islam is known as the religion of peace, tolerance and universal brotherhood.

To this end, I would recommend to you "Muhammad, A Prophet For Our Times", by Karen Armstrong, "In the Footsteps of the Prophet" by Tariq Ramadan and the translaation of the Holy Qur'an by A. Yusuf Ali.

Insha'Allah, it is my sincere prayer for you and those like you that Allah, Subhanna wa Ta'ala, guide you to the truth of Islam for your own salvation and for the benefit of others.

Ma'a salaam.

2007-11-12 05:14:30 · answer #5 · answered by Big Bill 7 · 2 5

Each and every verse in taken out of context. Read this verse given below and your puzzle will be solved.

60:8 As for such [of the unbelievers] as do not fight against you on account of [your] faith, and neither drive you forth from your homelands, God does not forbid you to show them kindness and to behave towards them with full equity: for, verily, God loves those who act equitably.

I am staying in middle east and I do not need to be apologetic, yet I not agree with what you have understood from these verses.

2007-11-12 04:43:56 · answer #6 · answered by Happily Happy 7 · 8 5

I've known many Christians in my life. Few of them keep the Sabbath holy, and none of them has ever advocated stoning to death those who don't.

Nor have any of them owned slaves.

There are lots of things that are written in so-called "holy" books that people ignore.

I suspect you're taken the above out of context or are using a crappy "translation", as I have it on good authority that the Koran advocates peace, specifically good relations with Christians and Jews.

Stop being a hate-monger and promoting lies against innocent people.

2007-11-12 05:37:00 · answer #7 · answered by tehabwa 7 · 2 7

The Bible clearly states if anyone does not love the Lord their God, let them be accursed....

2007-11-12 04:54:52 · answer #8 · answered by Jacob Dahlen 3 · 3 2

A bit difficult to fit in or to call oneself a moderate I suppose.

2007-11-12 04:45:19 · answer #9 · answered by henry m 3 · 0 4

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