Q. for Jews: do you recognize Messianic Jews as fellow Jews?

Question

Messianic Jews believe in Jesus Christ.

Answer 1

They are purely Christian:

Messianic Judaism, Hebrew Christians, Completed Jews, Jews for Jesus or whatever name they use to try and hide their true affiliation are deemed as nothing more than Christian sects using deceitful means to convert Jews. EVERY Jewish denomination denounces these sects as Christians and nothing more. You will not find any Rabbis that state anything else- except for the "rabbis" appointed by these Christian sects. However, by Jewish law, once a Jew, always Jew- whether born or converted. Thus once a person is Jewish they are always judged by Jewish standards, and if they revert/convert to a different religion they are still considered Jewish by Jewish law. BUT, someone practising a religion other than Judaism is considered outside of the community, may not be a member of the community, receive any community honours, be a representative for the community, be buried in a Jewish cemetary, marry a Jew or be treated as a Jew for the purposes of the laws of mourning. However, since they never stop being a Jew- they merely have to repent, return to Judaism and go to mikveh in order to once again be a full member of the community

Just to give an idea why according to Jewish belief a belief in Jusus as Messiah is completely incompatable with Judaism:
To start with: why we don't believe that Jesus was the messiah in simple terms:
1) The dead were not resurrected
2) The Jews did not beome priests to the other nations
3) There is no world peace
4) The temple is not standing
5) There is no temple service
6) There is no parah adumah or its ashes to render us tahor
7) The messiah is from the House of David. your house/tribe is inherited from your father. Your father is your BIOLOGICAL father- there is no adoption in Judaisim to another father- if God is the father of Jesus- then Jesus cannot be from the House of David as God is not frm the House of David.
8) Human sacrifice is completely forbidden in Judaism- remeber God stopping the sacrifice of Isaac? The idea of a human being sacrificed is the opposite of anything from Judaism!
9) You have to atone for yourself! An essential part of the atonement process is being repentant. Someone cannot be repentant for you- you have to do it for yourself. ONly communal sins can be forgiven communally- not individual, private sins!

And no- the messiah does NOT proclaim himself- he will be recognised by his deeds- not by his claims- in other words, through doing the above he will be recognised as the messiah. On top of that- mashiach is a HUMAN being, with HUMAN parents- the idea of an anthropomorphised God going around and impregnating young woman is completely alien to Judaism- though it fits very nicely into the pagan religions of the time which had their heroes being fathered by gods (ala Hercules and his daddy Zeus)

Next: some major differences between Judaism and Christian theology:
Christianity is totally divorced from Judaism theologically
1) The belief that God would physically manifest to produce a child is the opposite of Jewish belief
2) The belief that God is made up of different beings is the opposite of Jewish belief in the single, undivided nature of God.
3) The belief that any being could set itself up in opposition to God (i.e. the devil) is the opposite of Jewish belief in which God is the sole and only authority and author of events in the world
4) The idea of eternal damnation for people who err (Hell), is the opposite of Jewish belief in which God is loving and always forgives.
5) The idea that God would ever cancel his convenant, after explicitly stating it was eternal, and thus turning God into a liar, is the opposite of Jewish belief
6) The idea that God could ever make a mistake (i.e. that the law he gave was too difficult to follow and was thus replaced with the sacrifice of his "son") is the opposite of the Jewish belief that God is perfect and never makes mistakes.
7) The idea that God can make mistakes is also the opposite of the Jewish belief that God is eternal and across all of time (God is, God was, God will be) and thus knows rthe consequences of every action and can tus never makes mistakes or not know the result sof something he does.

Answer 2

Only if they're Jewish. I think what you really want to know is if we recognize "Messianic Judaism" as a form of Judaism. As a Torah-observant Jew, I don't recognize "Messianic Judaism" as a valid form of Judaism, nor do I recognize any religious sect calling itself "Judaism" that does not accept the Torah as authoritative and binding. As it happens, "Messianic Judaism" is a branch of evangelical Protestant Christianity.

A Jew is either someone born to a Jewish mother, or someone who converts to Judaism in accordance with Torah Law. Since "Messianic Judaism" has little more than an aesthetic conection to actual Judaism, a non-Jew who converts to "Messianic Judaism" is not Jewish. Someone who is Jewish by birth, however, cannot cease to be Jewish. Should they affiliate with the Messianic group, they simply become a Jew who is practicing Christianity.

So, do we recognize Messianic Judaism as true Judaism? No.

Do we recognize Messianic Jews as fellow Jews? Yes and no - we recognize the Jewish ones, but we don't recognize the non-Jewish ones.

I hope this helps clear things up.

Answer 3

No way, Jose. Do you recognize Mohammad as a prophet?

Nearly all Messianic Jews are Christians who have never converted to Judaism. However the few Messianic Jews who were born to a Jewish mother are apostate Jews and can return to Judaism at any time they repent from worship of a man-made god.
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Answer 4

They declare they're; Jews declare they are actually not. relies upon the place you're coming from. it rather is a elementary guiding principle of Judaism which you are able to not be a Jew at the same time as additionally being a member of yet another faith. you would be an ex-Jew; a guy or woman of Jewish blood or historical past; yet formally adopting yet another faith, subsequently, frequently Protestant Evangelical Christianity, makes you a non-Jew from a non secular and a community attitude. Messianic Jews can evaluate themselves notwithstanding they please-it rather is a loose united states of america. No believing Jew regards them as Jewish...they're in fact apostates--perhaps nicely-meaning yet nonetheless apostates. Jackie Mason suggested it acceptable in his lawsuit against Jews for Jesus who misappropriated his photograph in an advert: you are able to not be A table AND A CHAIR.

Answer 5

Messianic Jews aren't Jews because they believe in Jesus Christ as being the Messiah. They are frauds.

Good Luck!!!

Answer 6

NO.
They are xtians, and to insinuate that one can 'believe in' another G'd AND be Jewish is a grievous insult. As is their insistence on ignoring the system Jews have set up for Jews ie; maintaining they can simply 'decide' to call themselves Jews.
They're xtian. Baptist in general. Mislead all together.


To the poster below, No it doesn't depend on who one is asking. Judaism unlike xtianity is a very defined religious culture, you are or are not a part of it. Unless your mother was Jewish or you have converted under the auspice of an orthodox rabbi, and you recognize no foreign G'd- you are NOT Jewish. How hard is it to comprehend, we are NOT xtian- we have specific rules as to what is Jew, and people who LIE in order to convert those Jews who are uneducated in their background are more than' FROWNED UPON.' It's filth.
Here's another with information on this -

jewsforjudaism.org


BTW It's not only orthodox Jews who will not recognize them it is ALL jews.Real Jews of any affiliation do NOT recognize frauds. Go bastardize someone else's religion, or try your own.



read this- whatjewsbelieve.org

Answer 7

Absolutely not.

Edit: But if you want to get into details, the first line and the first full paragraph in Allonyoav's answer are exactly correct. (So is the rest, but that addresses somewhat different questions).

Super Jew is completely right too, but I think allonyoav's greater emphasis on how Jews that become Christians cut themselves off from the community is important.

Answer 8

Like all such questions, I guess it depends on who is asking, and who is being asked.


I have heard some Jewish scholars and Rabbis say that Messianic Jews are actually Jews, because they are still adhering to all of the covenants made with God that the Jewish people made with God before Christ. And they are practicing the culture and faith that is the same as mainstream Judaism. The only difference is that they think Jesus was the Messiah that came for them, as was (in their view) for told.

I guess it a bit like the type of debate that goes on within Christianity, where you have offshoots of Christianity like Mormonism. Many people do not view Mormons as Christians, but when you take a good look at it their faith and values are pretty similar as mainstream Christians. They just have an added story within their history and theology.

Answer 9

"Messianic Judaism" is 100% Christian and 0% Jewish.

Answer 10

No, not at all.

They believe in something completely contrary to the very backbone of Judaism itself, and then go around begging to be called Jews? Sorry, no. They are Xians through and through. Except they are Xians who pretend to be Jews in order to convert real Jews to Xianity. It's terrible. These people are apostates and are not recognized as Jewish by any Jewish authority.

For the above poster:

CHIEF Ashkenazi and CHIEF Sephardi Rabbis of Israel

"There are Christian groups that call themselves "Messianic Jews" whose faith is totally alien to the Jewish faith, and members of these groups who were born to Jewish parents have a status of apostates who removed
themselves from the Jewish Nation."

-Official proclamation of the Chief Rabbinate of Israel, 1998.

Rabbi Y. Eliezer Danzinger of Tzefat, Israel (Chabad)

"Messianic Judaism is both a logical and theological absurdity. It's perverse goal is to seduce uneducated Jews away from their heritage and people, without the ensnared realizing the enormity of their betrayal."

"Although Jews who subscribe to such heresy are clearly apostates--and as such, forfeit all rights as Jews, including the right of being buried in a Jewish cemetery--the gates of repentance are open to them."

Hebrew Union College / Jewish Institute of Religion (Reform)

....being Jewish and accepting Christ is entirely incompatible. In the Winter 1996 issue of Reform Judaism, Mark Washofsky, called Messianic Jews "apostates." "We see Messianic Jews as dishonest, deceptive and ultimately
dangerous to our existence as a religious community."

Central Conference of American Rabbis (Reform)

For us in the Jewish community anyone who claims that Jesus is their savior is no longer a Jew and is an apostate. Through that belief she has placed herself outside the Jewish community. Whether she cares to define herself as a Christian or as a "fulfilled Jew," "Messianic Jew," or any other
designation is irrelevant; to us she is clearly a Christian. We should, therefore, consider a "completed Jew" [Messianic Jew] as an apostate.

....they should be seen as outsiders who have placed themselves outside the Jewish community. This should be made very clear to them and to the Jewish and general community, especially as many such individuals are active
proselytizers. Such individuals should not be accorded membership in the congregation or treated in any way which makes them appear as if they were affiliated with the Jewish community, for that poses a clear danger to the
Jewish community and also to its relationships with the general community.

We certainly do not want these individuals to speak for Judaism in any public forum. In conclusion, we should make the distinction between ourselves and these individuals very clear to them, to the Jewish community and to the general community around us.

-proclamation September 1983.

There, you have everyone from Orthodox to Reform in there.

NO JEWISH AUTHORITY ACCEPTS THESE PEOPLE AS JEWS.