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Are you aware that your God has screwed up at least ten times (according to his own book ... the one he wrote) so badly that he repented? See Genesis 6:7, Exodus 32.14, Judges 2:18, I Samuel 15:35, II Samuel 24:16, I Chronicles 21:15, Psalm 106:45, Jeremiah 26:19, Amos 7:3, Amos 7:6 (you'll want to use the KJV to see the word "repent" or a variation thereof). Why does an omniscient God change his mind so much?

And speaking of omniscience/omnipotence ... if (a) God wants everything to be righteous and perfect and (b) God is truly omnipotent yet (c) everything is not righteous and perfect, at this very moment, even as we speak ... then there must be some other thing that God wants even more than for everything to be righteous and perfect. Any ideas on what that other thing might be?

And still speaking of omnipotence ... are you aware that the Bible itself records an incident when there was something that God COULD NOT DO? See Judges 1:19 (Biblegod can't overcome iron chariots).

2007-11-10 17:03:31 · 30 answers · asked by YO Y 2 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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The Bible at first, has no mistakes. But no one knows what the first Bible was..............because man messed it up! Over the past thousand years or so, man picked and chose which books were to be in there. Then they translated it into like twenty different versions! Alot of Bible's word things differently. The changing of one word can change the whole meaning of a sentence.

Example: "God sent a messanger" as opposed to "God will send a messanger"

Men are the reason why the Bible contradicts itself so much. God didn't make it that way.

2007-11-11 01:50:07 · answer #1 · answered by ~)~) 3 · 1 0

Genesis 6:7 - men made the mistake. men sinned. So God decided to wipe them away. God did not make a mistake for creating men. men has free will.

Exodus 32:14 - God didnt screw up there. He put this into the Bible to show us that even though the people sinned enough that He would've destroyed them, He didn't and instead was merciful.

Judges 2:18 - wheres the mistake?

I Samuel 15:35 - God chose Saul as king because He wanted to show the people that they were wrong in needing a king: 1 samuel chapter 8. He did not make a mistake in choosing the "wrong" king

II Samuel 24:16 - If you read a paragraph above, you see that David knows the Lord is merciful. God is showing His wrath and then His mercy. Not changing His mind.

I Chron 21:15 - repeat of the previous verse.

Psalm 106:45 - I just dont see the screw-up. Israel was full of sin so God punished them. Yet, out of His love he relented. Does not mean He made a mistake punishing them. They deserved it.

Jer 26:19 - Again, shows the Lord's love, not mistake.

Amos 7:3, 6 - all shows God's compassion.

(you cant just look at the word "repent" they are all translations that could be inaccurate).

He is your Father in heaven. When a parent punishes his child for doing wrong, does the parent not have compassion and stops or not punish? Does that mean it was a mistake to punish in the first place? Does it mean the parent is flip-flopper and cant decide whether to punish the child?

Your saying why didnt God just create everything perfect and righteous? well, if He did, then we would not be able to see His mercy, grace and His perfectness and righteousness.

God was with them. God wanted the people to stop expanding at the plains, so that they get according to what was promised. Therefore, they stopped and could not overcome iron chariots.

2007-11-10 18:09:21 · answer #2 · answered by dbu_44240 4 · 1 0

Repent or relent is used here and in this context it means to become more lenient, compassionate, or forgiving. To cause to slacken or abate. To cause to soften in attitude or temper.
Gen 6:7 He was grieved that he made them.
Rx 32:14 He relented.
Judges 2:18 He had compassion on them.
1 Sam 15:35 He grieved
11 Sam 24:16 Lord was grieved
1 Chron 21:15 grieved
psalm 106:45 out of great love relented
jer 26:19 relented
amos 7:3 relented

The scripture you put up just reaffirms he is a God of compassion and that he is grieved when we make the wrong choices.

God wants everything to be righteous and pure, but he wants us to have free will to choose.

Judges 1:19 they could not overcome the chariots, God could if he wanted to. It just says he was there with them.

2007-11-10 17:46:46 · answer #3 · answered by Marie F 2 · 1 0

Okay. I'm hardly that religious but I can explain some things.

First thing is the Bible is not a literal account about everything that is going to happen from minute zero to the end. It's a guide given to help man form a strong sense of devotion and morality, which is about making choices by the consequences, not what is "good" vs. "bad". It's also not a bunch of suggestions.

The majority of the books in the Bible are chronicles of the Hebrew tribes that have fashioned Christianity (the Old Testament predates the birth of the Messiah and foretells it also--by more than a few hundred years). The story of Genesis is sprung from the earliest tellings of the Jews and has other forms in other religions and folk tales that go back thousand of years.

Others relate to parables or stories meant to teach the concepts of morality.

There is the story of the Messiah and his ministry found in four major books written by or for those called Jesus' disciples, plus some letters and books based on the travels and teaching of the Apostle Paul. Paul is consider the first leader of the Christian (Catholic, meaning one faith or voice) church.

Then there are the books near the end of the New Testament that are meant to illustrate the meaning of the end of man's days and rebirth of Earth as a place of God, not Satan.

What is troubling you is that the accounts written by man seem to indicate that God is NOT perfect and in fact weak.

In fact, God IS omniscient and omnipotent as much as the universe was made by his hand to operate by his dictate and that all these stories are his way to tell you how to prepare for heaven's descension to Earth and eliminate evil. It doesn't even suggest that 'hell' will be eliminated, but instead that hell is eternal nothingness and the damned will cease to be completely.

Now, I can understand your challenge completely but I can tell you it's hardly original and that you need to take not just your own account but study others' also. The Bible is a book about faith that guides the faith of all and nobody tends to just get the meaning. The translation isn't really the literal proof as much it's made to speak in terms that more people can grasp and spead the faith more.

No, you don't have to take it hook, line and sinker and you don't have to be a Christian to understand it's lessons. Men of all faiths study the texts of all faiths and hope to understand and love each other better.

I don't care for the notion of a personified god (*your God) as I strongly feel the we, the sinners called men will use the personification to justify all our actions as holy, something that is experienced in most every religion and we try to cast those out or at least change their ideals.

The notion of faith however relies on the strength to allow the unknown to be and not question things we cannot ever know while living.

Therefore I do not ask why God would not be able to handle "iron chariots" in whatever literal sense you can give to that term. I see that God told us that and it is in his plan and he had a reason. That made him omniscient because he saw and foretold it. Omnipotent is a different meaning altogether. To triumph over evil God will involve all three of his forms, the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. God is tripartate and if you know science very well, usually things have THREE states--water,ice,vapor, positrons, electrons and neutrons. Three is more powerful than one usually and his hand reflects in threes.

I'm not going to convince you to believe anything nor would I want to. I did want to tell you that trying to interpret the "actual" meaning of a book that doesn't really have an easily distinguished "plot" for lack of a better term as you'd see it is meaningless.

And to pre-empt the next question, no, the Constitution isn't Gospel, it's a guide on which to adapt and grow as a country. It was meant to be changed as ideas evolved and men's attitudes and lives changed around them.

2007-11-10 17:54:52 · answer #4 · answered by _ 4 · 0 0

He's God, and can pretty much do whatever he wants.

On the subject of what he wants, why not ask him?

As for Judges 1:19, you are reading it incorrectly. while God is with Judah, it is Judah who cannot drive out the chariots of iron. Verse 19 is a continuation of the activities mentioned in verses 17 and 18, that detail what Judah was able to accomplish. A period would have been better placed at the end of the statement" ...with Judah", because the reader (particularly detractors) would be able to see that the thought that follows the semicolon is a completely separate thought.

Although that is the punctuation rule anyway--that each written statement on either side of a semicolon could stand alone as a sentence, but because of a common connection a semicolon can be used.

Below is Judges 1:17-19:

17And Judah went with Simeon his brother, and they slew the Canaanites that inhabited Zephath, and utterly destroyed it. And the name of the city was called Hormah.

18Also Judah took Gaza with the coast thereof, and Askelon with the coast thereof, and Ekron with the coast thereof.

19And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.


Hope I helped. God bless you.

To Jo: No one will go to hell for questioning the Bible. It is through questions that everyone learns. However, blatant disbelief and rejecting Christ as Lord and Savior is indeed a one way ticket to eternal punishment and separation from God.

2007-11-10 17:30:41 · answer #5 · answered by 1985 & going strong 5 · 1 0

First of all, God did not screw up. Man did. God gave men free will, and they made such bad choices, God was disgusted with them. Why is it God's fault? If you gave your kid a video Ipod so he could download movies to enjoy while on a camping trip, and he downloaded porno movies instead, is that your fault? You would regret that you gave it to him. You didn't intend for him to use it that way.
As for some of the other scriptures, you must have used the wrong references, as several of them did not say anything related to God 'screwing up'.
As for Judges 1:19, it says that the people couldn't overcome the chariots. They still took the land. It's just that they had to live there with the other people. God didn't say He would destroy all the residents of the land. He just said He would give the Israelites the land. They were able to take the hill country. It's quite possible God didn't want the valley folks out yet.

As far as why does an omniscient God change His mind so much- God sees all of time, from beginning to end. I believe He also sees all the possibilities of all the choices that man can make. He initially has elected for certain response, but based on man' s choices, He sometimes has to change the direction He wanted to go. In eternity, He would have known what He was going to do, but in man's eyes, it looks like God changed His mind.

2007-11-10 17:28:05 · answer #6 · answered by Dawn C 5 · 3 0

About Judges 1:19

You have assumed that God wanted them to take more than the hill country. God wanted them to take over the hill country, and they took it.

That's how little you understand what it is you read.

You are relying upon your understanding, and perhaps the poor scholarship of Atheist sites. They totally suck at this stuff.

If you read a little further ( if you are even using a Bible), you would have read this:
22 I will use them to test Israel and see whether they will keep the way of the LORD and walk in it as their forefathers did." 23 The LORD had allowed those nations to remain; he did not drive them out at once by giving them into the hands of Joshua.
( Judges 2 )

Why do you still accept your source or your understanding? What other subjects are you going to rely on that are so poor with information?

2007-11-10 17:26:47 · answer #7 · answered by Christian Sinner 7 · 2 0

That's Satan - that's probably his biggest weapon. He puts those thoughts in your head. You just have to live righteously enough to have the Holy Ghost with you and Satan won't be able to influence you. Doctorine & Covenants 82:3 says: For of him unto whom much is given much is required; and he who sins against the greater light shall receive the greater condemnation. Satan sees you as a threat and so he's trying his heardest to bring you down. Don't let him get to you. Christ's opinion is all that matters, and he loves you. He loves you a lot, and he will forgive you for anything if you truly repent. Push Satan out, tell him to go away, say a prayer, something, but don't ever think that it's God doing those things to you. He loves you, but the reason we came down here is to grow and progress on our own, and no matter how much He wants to help you, he has to let you find your way to Him. But he's waiting with open arms.

2016-04-03 06:58:14 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

God changes his mind from our perspective and does things for our benefit. He might allow something to continue further than you would in order to teach people a particular lesson.

We anthropomorphize God all the time. The Bible gives him wings and arms and says that he sits, rests, speaks, etc. We are finite beings and can't comprehend what an infinite God does, nor how he goes about doing it except to the extent he reveals it to us. One of the things he does is something that we would call "changing his mind" even though it doesn't seem right that an omniscient God would need to do that -- just like it doesn't seem right that a non-corporeal God would have arms.

It is our human simplicity, as demonstrated so well in your question and my response, that demands that God simplify himself to the point of absurdity in the hope that some of us might be able to figure out what he's talking about.

2007-11-10 17:15:45 · answer #9 · answered by Craig R 6 · 3 1

I'm with you on the fact that there are many contradictions in the bible. Man wrote the bible and it has been translated in many different languages by many different people. However people want to believe that no one would dare change the bible. Like God would have seen to it that it wasn't. (How can anyone really know that?) Oh right faith.
Whatever...believe what you want to believe it's not going to make you go to hell for questioning the bible.
Go out in life always try to do the right thing show compassion, pray, love, all that stuff and let God be your judge about you not others on this answer board.

2007-11-10 17:12:25 · answer #10 · answered by Time To Go 6 · 3 2

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