If by 2013 there is no progress in Iraq, could people actually accept defeat?

Question

ya Doc its my fault its not going well, and since when did I become a democrat?

Answer 1

There appears to be some desperation on the part of the defeatists. The insurgency is basically impotent.

Answer 2

Well, their has been progress. So, what are we talking about again? Perhaps you mean a certain level of progress, well, without knowing the terms of 'progress' I can't comment. Violence has been decreasing slowly, sections of the country are being restored to Iraqi rule, and the government is functioning. It'll just take time now. Placing arbitrary demands of progress on Iraq is only going to make things worse because you'll 1) tell the enemies what our plans are, they will do everything in their power to make it appear we are not succeeding, and 2) distract the Iraqi government away from what it thinks is important. This is a fledgling government operating under terrible circumstances; not an established government working in a peaceful country.

It's obvious by your line of questioning that you don't support the war, don't you think it's close minded of you to only embrace that ideal? Our win or loss in Iraq has yet to be decided, despite what some may tell you. We are still their and we are still working, that's all it takes to lay the foundation for victory.

Answer 3

Wow, do we not hear anything that happens other than the stories that get repeated on the networks?

Third consecutive month of supper low casualties in Iraq, That's called progress.

Did you know that this past summer an amusement park even opened in Baghdad? I think that's progress.

I bet you do know that the Democrats in congress still are talking about not funding the war, I suppose they have already accepted defeat.

I say we gave 25 million Iraqis a chance at freedom, I say we stick it out now that they appear to be getting closer to realizing that freedom.

Answer 4

How many years were we in Vietnam? Eleven? That was the longest war in US history.

We invaded Iraq in 2003. Eleven years from then is 2014. The good news is that we won't have lost as many soldiers in Iraq as we did in Vietnam (at the current rate). Not even including our private mercenary force, which, like Iraqis themselves, don't count (in mortality statistics).

But, I expect that we'll still be slogging away, and neocons will continue to chant "we're winning--we're winning" as though it were some sort of magical mantra warding off all manner of terrorist evil.

Answer 5

If by then, there is no progress, it is only because YOU are not trying hard enough. I shall NEVER accept defeat! Why do democrats love defeat so much? Perhaps if you'd actually get behind this thing and help move it along in a direction that assures victory for our side...

Answer 6

Just this week, I have heard multiple news stories about the war that show signs of much improvement....so I'm wondering what it takes for people to actually accept the idea that we may be winning. I'll go look for some sources for you...

Answer 7

Define progress, so that you have a satisfactory result and not just ranting.

There is progress right now.

For example in Baghdad, killings are down 90% this year.

Answer 8

you'll have to define defeat AND victory, as well as progress towards what exactly, before i can answer this question.

i will come back in about 15 minutes.

Answer 9

by 2013 there would be victory for us. and you don't have to look far since this year things turned for the better. i don't mind if you are in denial since you are always depressed about things dude

Answer 10

History repeats itself. How long did the crusades last?