Breeding for money???

Question

I am just curious? There are SO many questions on here about breeding - or my puppy is having a litter "WHAT DO I DO?" Etc.
I wonder, how many of these (so called) breeders actually think this out AHEAD of time?
What are the reasons they are having puppies? Is it because they are so cute, they want to let their children experience the miracle of birth, they think their female should be a mother and that she would love to have puppies, they want to better the breed, or - are they just doing it for the big bucks???
For you who are considering having puppies, you need to think long and hard about it. If you are doing it right, and have the Dam's best interest in mind (as well as the puppies) then you must realize that you aren't going to make the BIG BUCKS! You will, at the very best - break even, and that's not even likely. Can everyone share their stories of what's involved; the care, expense, time, placement, etc. of having puppies. It may make "some" people think twice.

Some may find this in violation, and try to have my quetion removed, but I FEEL so strongly that this needs to be pointed out. We have WAY TOO MANY UNWANTED DOGS

Some may find this in violation, and try to have my question removed, but I FEEL so strongly that this needs to be pointed out. We have WAY TOO MANY UNWANTED DOGS as it is in the world

Stulisa4 - I would like to know where you live and what credentials your vet has. NO vet is going to do a C-Section of $120.00. You are living in a dream world my dear...

Answer 1

Everyone has been sharing their stories about what it takes to produce a litter.. how much money it costs, how much money you WON'T make.. What could happen, etc.. They do NOT listen, cause they do NOT care. They think they are right and everyone else is wrong. They think reputable breeders are lying about how much money they make so that other people don't try to horn in on their business.. They think that the world revolves around them, and nothing bad will happen to their dog, that they are smarter than everyone else and their puppies will never show up in shelters, or get sick, or develop health problems due to bad breeding.. They very likely aren't even reading your question cause they don't want anyone to burst their little tiny bubble they live in.. Odds are pretty good too that they are going to report you and you will get a violation for your question.. You are not supposed to be pointing out the truth to people who are not responsible.. They do NOT like it..

Wait about 2 hours and there will be a question that says ' ?? How come people always try to get me not to breed my dog ' and they will be referring to you and your question.

They want you to tell them that their sicklittlecockmaltipoo will be a wonderful mother, puppies will be cute and they will make a fortune.. Any other answer and they'll report you.

Answer 2

I want the number of the vet who does a c-section for 120.00!!! Stulisa, I try not to judge people too harshly, but the more I read of your post here, the more I reliazed how deep your ignorance goes. You can sit here and talk yourself into believing that you will profit, but that only leads me to believe that you will be cutting corners with your puppies so you can make money. I have raised Rotties for years, and I was lucky if I "made" a few hundred bucks off of a litter of ten. My puppies always went to the vet when they were three days old for exams, the vet care didnt stop when they were born. They also ALWAYS had their first and second shots, and they were wormed before they went to their new homes, and they went to the vet at least three times in the first 8 weeks. But perhaps the vet who does the cheap c-sections will also let you groom his/her dog in return for the puppies shots so you still have "zero" dollars invested. I am sorry to say, but you are full of....yourself. I would never buy a puppy from you. I wonder why you left out what breed of dog you have...and even her name so we can check for ourselves the championship pedigree she has.
And to answer this question, you can see by stulisa's answer why these people are such a problem in the dog world.

Answer 3

I see this all the time in our clinic. Typically, the BYB walks in with some little dog that is a poor example of its breed to begin with (has a horrible heart murmur, or a open fontanel, or is completely the wrong size for the breed), and its been in labor for 10-15 hours with out producing a pup. I'll ask them when her due date is, and they'll either tell me they have no idea, or that it was 5 days earlier. We'll take an xray and tell them, yup one pup is stuck and they need a c-section. They'll ask why I cant just give them a shot to induce contractions, and I'll have to explain that no matter how many contractions shes having, pup 3 times the size it should be is not going to fit down that canal. Then we'll give them an estimate for a c-section (typically 800-1500 for a normal, way more if there is complications). They act totally shocked that it costs so much, because they had no preparation for it. They then proceed to scream and yell at me, accuse me of trying to take advantage of them, trying to steal their money or just being a cold hearted b*tch who doesnt care about animals (yeah, me the one whos actually trying to save the dog, not them who put the dog in this situation). If were lucky, they'll agree to surgery. I actually had one person tell me, "well if there are four or more pups in there alive, we'll do it since we can make up the cost, if not we'll euthanize." WTF?! If we get to go to surgery, we'll recommend the dog be spayed, since her chances of having complications post op decrease, and her chances of having dystocia with future litters increases. Most say no, absolutely not. They dont want to pull the plug on their furry little ATM machine. If we're lucky, mom and pups will do well and go home in a few days. Then six months later they'll return again, in the same situation. Its extremely frustrating.

Dont get me wrong, I have met some amazing breeders who, because nature cant be predicted, end up needing a c-section too. But they come in with all the necessary info in hand, never blink an eye when you tell them the cost, and pace nervously in the waiting room because they are terrified of losing their animal. You can tell the difference between the two types of breeders by the first thing they say after surgery. A good breeders first question will be about the mom, "Hows she doing?" . A BYB first questions is always "How many pups lived?".


added: Ha ha ha, AAh Stulisa, your the exact type ignorance I am talking about. Its scary you actually believe the nonsense your spewing. If you actually know a vet who is going perform that type of major surgery for $120 I would seriously question the level of medicine they are providing. The anesthesia alone cost more than that. Your a groomer, what makes you experienced enough to be calling your self a breeder. That would be like trusting my hairdresser to be my midwife, cause shes cut the hair of alot of pregnant women. Hahahaha, see you in the surgery room.

Thanks for giving my profession a bad name. A Tech is someone who has gone through schooling to provide the best medical care, has sat and passed both the state and national board tests, and has taken an oath to never put an animal in danger unnecessarily and to promote GOOD veterinary medical standards. Beyond that, I have sat for and passed the boards for Emergency/Critcial Care Society. That is what tech is! But hey, you worked for a vet who let the groomer assist in surgery, so obviously your experience must outweigh mine.

Answer 4

We have German Shepherds. Twice we had puppies. The first litter, we went in the hole, as the puppies were given away for free to good homes. The second time, we did make money, but not much, and it was only because of the litter size.

Our female had thirteen pups (two were stillborn) in her second litter. For eight weeks, we had the difficult task of raising eleven puppies. With all the expenses we had with them--health care, food for the pups and the mother, a new place in our yard to keep them (you do not want to keep 11 GSD puppies in the house once they are able to get out of the whelping box!), a pet sitter for them when we had to go out of town, etc.--you know the profit would not have been much. Not to mention time spent caring for them. Socializing them, playing with them in small groups of two or three, feeding them, making sure they couldn't get out of their pen (one did!) and fixing it if they could.

And then there was finding homes for all of these wonderful puppies. We probably turned away more people than we considered for one of our puppies. Finding homes was another expense--advertising the puppies.

Any time you breed any animal, all of your research and preparation should be done before the female is even pregnant. Not two days or weeks before she is due.

With all this being said, the vast majority of people will not quit breeding. They will continue to breed and continue to practice bad breeding.

Answer 5

I do have to say I bred my female but not for the money for my inlaws and let me tell you I lucked out with most of it. she had no problems but the pups did a number on her system and I barely broke even. I am glad that all pups went to very good homes of people I know. And that she will be spayed as soon as I can which will be after she is not in heat again. I am leaving the breeding to the professionals.. They at least know how to tend to a whelping ***** and know what to look for when something goes wrong. It is people that don't that usually have trouble with things. I luckly had homes for all my puppies but I still see ads online where people still have them listed and they are 3-4 months old and such. For you BYB out there have fun ruining your ***** and running up vet bills. I was a BYB for the one time but let me tell you NEVER AGAIN will I put my girl through that or my house!!!

Answer 6

Been breeding dogs for over 50 years, and have bred about that many Champions. So it is safe to say that we breed nice puppies. Quite frankly I don't remember when we last made a profit on a litter. Probably have in the past, but certainly not enough to have caught my attention.
We whelped a litter yesterday. The stud fee was $1500.00 (chilled AI), she had a hard time delivering so the vet bill is about $500.00. Still have all the care and medical on the pups to go. She had 4 pups. Make a profit,,,, ya-right!!

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stulisa4
I hate to burst you bubble, but you are living in a dream world. You keep right on doing what you are doing, and when you loose the whole works because the stud you picked out had Brucellosis, come back and tell us all about it. There are so many dog STDs out there that we quit allowing our stud dogs to breed naturally 20 years ago, and so have most with quality stud dogs.

Answer 7

I bought a pup from a poor breeder once for $400 and spent over $2,000 in vet bills to try to save the pup. At 7 months old I had to put the puppy down. The breeders are lucky to have moved out of the state.
I bought another pup for $900 from a reputable breeder and have had no vet bills other than what is expected.
Breeders that produce poor dogs for the money should serve time in prison.

Answer 8

First of all - a female dog isn't going to miss out if she doesn't have a litter.
Expenses to do it correctly:
Begin Quality diet (well before PLANNED breeding) $30.00 + per bag of high quality food.
Purchase price of quality Female - $800.00 + (BYB any o' girl will do)
Purchase price of quality Male (or stud fee) - $800.00 + (BYB Whoever is available!!!)
Continue good diet in female. (BYB - whatever is on sale)
Vet check of female prior to whelping (BYB don't do this)
Vet check of puppies after birth (BYB don't EVEN care about this)
Dew claws removed (aprox. $20.00 PER pup) BYB - NOPE.
Vet check for worms in puppies - $50.00 + office visit (BYB - What worms - MY puppies have NO worms!)
Vaccinations - done by vet aprx. $35.00 per pup. Done at home aprx. $8.00 per pup (BYB - CLAIMS they are vaccinated - probably NOT TRUE).
Weaning pups - High quality puppy food - AGAIN BYB get the cheapest s**t and try to keep this puppies nursing so they don't have to buy ANY food until a week before they leave (if even then).
Microchips? aprx. $50.00 per pup. BYB - Why the H**L would I spend my money on that? Once this puppy is gone - I don't give a Damn what happens to it!!!!

OMG, I could go on and on.

I'm sure I will comment again....

Okay - I have to add a few more things. All my figures above are providing there are NO complications.

Do you BYB's have a contract? What if for some reason the person why bought one of your puppies can't keep it? Are you willing to buy it back? I would! I would want to ensure that it went to a home that "I" approved of. If you refuse to buy it back - where do you suppose it will end up, or do you care?

I'll bet the majority of you just stick signs up all over the place. Anyone who has the funds is good enough for you.

Do you think a puppy/dog has feelings? Do they feel love? Do they feel sorrow? Or - are they for the sole purpose of reproduction??? I'm sorry to keep going on, but It just makes me cry when I think of what some humans do to poor, defenseless animals. Not just dogs, but in general.

I'm done now.

Answer 9

I am not a breeder nor will I ever be. There are so many healthy, wonderful dogs being put down in shelters because there are to many dogs and not enough homes. Yet these ignorant, immoral backyard breeders continue to breed their pets as a cash crop.

Backyard breeders are a hard headed, immoral lot. The only thing they will listen to is money.

Answer 10

Geeezzz! I want Stulisa to try what she just stated with having her own offspring-no help? No medical attention? All natural? Go for it, honey!
Just because you got lucky with your situation, doesn't mean you encourage every moron with an unspayed female to breed.
Everyone else is right. The people who are in it for the money do NOT care.

Edit: I really thought modern medicine had progressed more than horse and buggy by now. I am alive, along with my sisters because of the miracle of modern medicine. I will wish you luck, Stulisa, if you ever have one with complications.