muslim girl claiming discriminantion as not allowed to wear headscarf for hairdressing job. how about she ...?

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muslim girl claiming discriminantion as not allowed to wear headscarf for hairdressing job


Ok lets play with this... how bout she can persue her case only when every muslim countiry stops discrimination against gays, lesbians and single unmarried couples and sexaully active single people.

Stops discriminataion against those who leave islam

Stops discrimination by brother and fathers and husbands inregards to who their daughters/sisters hang out with and date, not letting them date and even travel around freely unchaparoned.

How about the entire islamic worl stops any discrimination agains non virgin female teangers

And discrimination in the islamic world against playboy models, porn stars, pole dancers etc.

And any discrmination against guys and girls who are single and want to hang out as mates in the islamic world.
Discrimintaion against gay pride events.

And look at her hypocarcy where her head

headscarf is a symobol saying woemn should not show their hair especailly stylish hair and express their identiy with hair... Yet she coveres it up... where sthe logic in that.

Wherre she wants to be a hair dresser but claims with her scarf that hair dressed hair is immoral and against gods law.

Im sorry confused on that one

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Just some chick... I actually know quite a bit... see the links

read these sites - from ex-muslims
http://www.stoning-themovie.com/en/index

ISLAM LINKS
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/13958/Saved:+Christian+woman+who+faced+being+stoned+to+death

girl saved from stoning

EXECUTING 13 YEAR OLDS GIRLS FOR HAVING SEX… DEATH BY STONING THE MOST VIOLENT, AGONISING AND SCARY WAY… SEE VIDEO AFTER LINK

http://www.iran-press-service.com/ips/articles-2004/october/izadi_161004.shtml


DEFFINETELY SEE THIS ALL THE WAY THOUGH TO THE END

IMAGINE THE SCREAMS AND USE A STOPWATCH

Clear video stoning
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/stoning.htm

YOUNG TEEN GIRL BEING STONED TO DEATH WHICH LASTWED 30 MIN TILL SHE DIED
http://www.jebar.info/yazidivedio/bisaba...
http://www.jebar.info/yazidivedio/video-...
http://www.jebar.info/yazidivedio/016.3g...
http://www.jebar.info/yazidivedio/1.3gp....

http://www.jebar.info/yazidivedio/2.3gp....
http://www.jebar.info/yazidivedio/3.3gp....
http://www.aina.org/news/20070425181603....

http://www.jebar.info/yazidivedio/3.3gp....
http://www.aina.org/news/20070425181603....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/ar...

http://www.ekurd.net/mismas/articles/mis...

http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/st...


THE TRUE NATURE OF ISLAM

http://www.westernresistance.com/blog/archives/002092.html

http://www.stoning-themovie.com/en/index2.htm
Source(s):
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com...

http://www.apostatesofislam.com...

http://www.pmw.org.il/index.html...

http://www.anti-cair-net.org

http://www.frontpagemag.com

http://www.faithfreedom.org

MORE TEENAGERS BEING EXECUTED FOR MAKING LOVE OR RESISTING RAPE

http://uk.messages.news.yahoo.com/World/threadview?bn=UK-NEWS-WOR-Religion&tid=7667&mid=7667&tof=10&m=tm&rt=2

TEENAGE GIRL TO BE HUNG IN IRAN FOR DEFENDING HERSELF AGAINST RAPE AND ANOTHER FOR SEX

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/009746.php

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?story...


16 YEAR OLD HUNG FOR HAVING SEX.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2004/08/29/do2903.xml&sSheet=/portal/2004/08/29/ixportal.html

http://www.activistchat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3661

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503547102

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21502

DEATH OF A PRINCESS EXECUTED FOR FALLING IN LOVE
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/princess/

http://www.transdiffusion.org/emc/behindthescreens/princess.php

200 MURDERED IN RIOTS OVER A SILLY BEAUTY SHOW AND JOKE WHILST YOUNG MOTHERS TO BE TORTURE STONED TO DEATH
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2240790.stm

http://engforum.pravda.ru/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=155606

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5184

ALL punishments are carried out in the name if ISLAM!

FORCED ARRANGED AND CHILD MARRIAGE

http://marriage.about.com/od/arrangedmarriages/a/childbride.htm?terms=human+rights+chicago

http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=612&id=437042002

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=389831&in_page_id=1879&in_a_source

HONOUR KILLINGS

http://www.rawa.org/honorkilling.htm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=396745&in_page_id=1770

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1328238.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2567077.stm

http://www.hindunet.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=71832&Main=60597

http://www.stophonourkillings.com/index.php?name=Content&pid=12

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2007/06/video-released-honor-killing-victim.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZXU_xXUxXI


GAYS BEING EXECTUTED

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_rights_in_Saudi_Arabia

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,1838222,00.html

http://clarityandresolve.com/archives/2005/07/iran_killing_ga.php



http://www.middleastwomen.org/html/bulletin/bulletin-5.htm

** TREATMENT OF WOMEN **

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ateqeh_Rajabi

http://www.iranliberty.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=18&Itemid=63

http://www.amnesty.org/ailib/intcam/saudi/briefing/4.html

http://www.dhushara.com/book/sakina/stoningetc/stoning.htm

http://www.rawa.org/jail.htm

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/taliban.html

AND WORST… WHILST NOT ORIGINALLY ISLAMIC… THE ISLAMIC AUTHOURITIES RUNNING COUNTRIES OR TERRORIST GROUPS PUSH THIS SICK ABUSE SEXUALLY ASSAULTING FEMALE CHILDREN…

AND THE MOST EVIL OF ALL SUPPORTED MAINLY IN ISLAMIC COUNTIRIES AND SOME COPTIC CHRISTIAN ONES

See these links most off all


http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engact770071997
http://www.fgmnetwork.org/intro/world.php
http://www.middle-east-info.org/league/somalia/fmgpictures.htm
http://www.freewebs.com/fgmsociety/pictures.htm
http://www.middle-east-info.org/league/somalia/fmgpictures.htm
http://www.spinifexpress.com.au/kadi/kadi.htm

http://www.spinifexpress.com.au/kadi/whatfgm.htm

Horrified... good... that’s FGM Female Genital mutilation... or female circumcision

If you think it’s only the odd wacko individual who does this try these figures for size ... Source Amnesty International

These figures are the whole of the female population think how many millions that is.
Egypt 97% Clitoridectomy, excision, and infibulations
Ethiopia 90%
Nigeria 50%
Somalia 98% Infibulation
Virtually all Somali women are genitally mutilated. There is no law specifically prohibiting FGM.

And that's just a few.
http://www.amnesty.org/ailib/intcam/femgen/fgm9.htm




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ie if this girl wants to campign against discrimination how about starting with all the stuff in the above links

quote guson

Third, will you be Ok, if you were working at a Islamic Business and they would tell you that you were not able to wear a Cross, or aDavid Star, or the Image of the Virgin?
I don't think so, you'll be yelling bloody murder.

Actually im athiest and against most relgions bar wicca and paganism and buddism as they are the only ones not sexaully repressive and homophobic

quote zidane

and the hijab is NOT a fashion statement and it is not just for covering your hair, it is a way you carry yourself, w/ respect,

ACTUALLY YOU CAN APPLY THAT TO HIPPIES AND GOTHS AS THATS WHAT THEY DO

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not half naked for everyone in the world to see you, but instead to make people actually pay attention to you

ACTUALLY I EQUALLY RESPECT GIRLS NO MATTER HOW LITTLE THEY WEAR. INCLUDING PROFESSIONAL JELLY WRESTLERS AND PORN STARS BOTH OF WHOM I HAVE MET.

People NEVER see YOU under a or burka or njab... all they see is a faceless inhuman being what wants to separate itself from humanity with no facial expression seen or emotions or identity at all.

You never get people wanting to find out what somone knows or personality as they cover up.

you express your persoanlity in how you put yourself accorss and accessorise yourself and facial expression and be approachable.


As for LAWS in islamic countires... sorry any bad laws get changed if unfair.

and as for 100 lashings.

sorry fornication is correctly called love, snuggles, affection, wamrth and is a good thing...

100 lashes is assult abd bullying and abuse and I would kill anyone who did that to any couple I know... or batter them with 500 lashes and have them saying ALLAH begs forgiveness for crimes against couples and love

full of it... no mate take off the blinkers.

You seem to have been brain washed into not questioning your own system and seeing it as perfect... same desease of the mind affects die hard communistis in chan, christians and battered wives who get carried into hospital with broken bones saying hes loves me and I did wrong.

I have no alliegence or are blinded by anything... I question everything and any one, nothing and nobody is sacred.

The reseasons why your isalm is increasing are similar to nazi germany.

its simple as you say ie brain dead... you dont think, you dont question you simply submit and obey...

Bit like in the army.
The same woemn who may convert would be the same who would covert to any cult and stop thinking... ie dumb sheep.

Modest dress the truth...
Girls dont dress simply and sexy to please guys but to control them and islam hates that as its about male dominance.

Lets see... who gets paid more in a pole dance club? the guy earning £6/hour bar

tending or the girl earning £100/hour which translates as nearly £200,000 a year for dancing (thats fun), keep fit (get healthy), changing clothes, and flirting.

Emmn who has more power over guys to exact massive eages from guys easily manipualted into handing over the contents of their wallets.?

Likewise when travelling the poor innocent defenceliess girls you mention in the jelly wrestling wet t shirt competitions were the ones winning $500 boast cruises around the
barrier reef whilst all the guys got was nice view to cheer on.

erm you need to learn what racisim is and what relgions do I support?

Firstly islam is NOT a race.... any more then being a hiop hop fan or a Manchester united fan is.

You are not genetically muslim, you are not born that way, it is something you can help much like if parents were nazis you dont have to be one.

So as its voluntary just like being a nazi you can be judged by your groups policies as a whole as its deemed by joining them and increasing their numbers you support them as its giving them credibility.


Ie whats the different between hitler motuhing off on his own in a pub. andh haveing a nazi party of 100000000 members?

Power and permission to be mean to jews.

On his own he cant do much.

Hence saying if this lady is showing her support for a gorup that in country after countery abuses gays and girls and represses then yes she can be judged that way as the more lile her the more confident the bad guys are and the more honour killing and family honour forc

forced arranged marriages etc you get.


I am an athiest but you asked who I support.

Well buddisim for one as unlike all the repression in islam its nice to fluffy animals

eg

www.tigertemple.co.uk

and mostly into peace.


Still not quite perfect...

That one goes to wicca

this has absolutely no issues with sex (bar things like rape and peadophilia as that hurts people)

their commandments are pretty much

as long as it harms none do as you will.

Females are seen as eq






females seen as equal and allowed to be female... ie flirting, sex, nudity if she wants nothing forcing her), things like breast feeding whould not be seen as dirty, fornication immoral etc.


Sex is seens as two broken halves comming together to form a whole


ie two lonley people find each other and be happy. great if it works out perminantley but if not company for a short time.

Generally nice to animals... think hippies.

None of the nasty homophobia... gays are f

None of the nasty homophobia... gays are fine and seen as natural.

Affection like holding hands and hugging etc is all fine and guys expected to hang out with girls.

ie go into new age shops and you get the idea.

Girls can be pretty to get guys and guys can attract girls

Parents want their kids happy and hugged...

(and contrception and safe sex is expected as not to do so would be harmful)

chilled out music. like buddisim not into dominance and violence and no real hyrachy... nobody cars whos boss other then if things need organising


etc etc

ie not racisit... think more

repressionisit...
as hate chrisitinity too, hate hind caste systems...

ie you have to be a nice non repressed hippy type

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Guason

A) I dont support chrisitinity either... thats sexaully repressive too, sabotages sex ed and contrception and is not nice to gays or nude models


however it does not have said gays or nude models exectuted where it gaisn power like islam.


B) no I dont bow to royalty


C) and All I mentioend are linked... all are based around islaimci sexaul repression upon its whole culture and rules are based... its whole thinking links all of that

just like if 100000 wore nazi outfits and joined the bnp etc there would be more racist attacks and against people due to colour of skin

Answer 1

Iran is still in primitive stage of human civilization.

Answer 2

If I understand you right, you believe she should be punished for the wrong doings of nations of which she holds no control?

Because some nations or groups have commited some human rights violations, she should be discriminated in a "free" country?

What power does she hold to change the government of Iran or Saudi Arabia? Its not as if they are the way the are because she refuses to give the nations permission to change.

Just because some abuse Islam, that does not mean those who peacefully follow their faith should be punished.

If she wishes to express her faith in a peaceful and non-harmful manner, she should be allowed to do so.

If you do not wish this to be the case, then you should be prepared to either outlaw all forms of religion, or some forms of religion, and be an intolerant society.

Should Christians not be allowed to wear the cross so long as Abortion Bombers continue to kill?

By the way, with all the reading you claim to be doing, I would imagine your grammer and spelling should be better.

EDIT: Complaining about porn stars and strippers being discriminated against by not being allowed to work in Muslim countries doesn't strengthen your argument much. So until Muslim countries want strippers, pornography, and prostitution to be seen as legitimate and respectable jobs, Muslim women should not be allowed to wear the headscarf? Wtf???

In any case, even in the US, all of these "professions" are looked down upon by society, and people fight very hard to keep such places out of their neighborhoods.

Perhaps you should practice what you preach, and not discriminate against billions of people.

Any culture or nation can look bad if you take 10 of the worst stories you can find, and say it represents that society.


EDIT AGAIN: I never realized how much more racist Britain was then the US. I hear some racist crap from my fellow Americans, but nothing compared to many of the British comments I read!

Answer 3

Not from the UK but USA where we also have many Muslims so believe I can answer this question.. The habib is part of a female religious Muslims dress & discrimination against anyones religious symbols should not be allowed..What'll be next to go,the Star of David?? Even in Israel Muslims can wear their habib & or burkah.. That said,the hairdresser was within her rights by not hiring this girl since all employees are required to have stlyish hairdos...Am wondering if the Muslim by going to a hairsalon was looking for problems? The article never said the hair salon operator didn't hire her for religious beliefs so was more than unfair she was fined.. Seems to me the courts were trying to placate the MANY Muslims in fear of trouble from the radical Muslims who're trying to take over the UK as well as the US!!! In US schools religion isn't taught in school which I agree with but Islam is taught & should be forbidden...

Answer 4

Adroitly manipulated exposure to the imagery of a whip cracking on a naked back and a veil enshrouding a woman’s face has led many to believe that the Shari’ah , the divine code of Muslim conduct, is in reality no more than a collection of values and practices that are primitive, uncivilized and barbaric. What to a Muslim is the object of his longing and endeavour has been very subtly projected as a relic from the dark ages which enslaves the woman and inflicts punishments on the criminal which are cruel, inhuman and degrading.

The Qur’an most certainly does prescribe corporal punishment for certain serious social crimes and it does lay down the principle of retribution, or qisas; it is very emphatic, too, about the crucial role of the family in human society and therefore insists on assigning different well-defined roles to men and women; and it does lay down many other regulations and laws and expects Muslims to obey the eternally valid injunctions of God and His Prophet.

But will these and similar provisions of the Shari’ah really plunge society back into darkness? Are they inhuman and barbaric? Are they an indicator of Islam’s inability to keep pace with the demands of human progress? The issues need to be examined seriously to determine the place and valued of the Shari’ah and its provisions in the ultimate order of human civilization and happiness. The need for this examination is especially acute in the view of the dogmatic position adopted by the West on these questions. A host of Western writers have said it, and the media continue to harp on the same theme: unless Islam is prepared to relent on these and other legal provisions of the Shari’ah ‘ there can and will be no accommodation; only a continuation of Western rejection of Islam’. Such vehemence makes one wonder whether the loud chorus about the Shari’ah, and such of its specific provisions as pertain to women and punishment, is in all cases the result of genuine misunderstanding and moral indignation, or whether the issue is merely being used by some as a whipping-boy to settle scores with Islam – old and new.

No apologies or excuses are needed to explain away or make acceptable to the West what has been so clearly laid down by the Qur’an and the Prophet in this regard and what has been so consistently accepted and adhered to by Muslims. There should be no place in dialogue with the West for such tortuous, self-deprecating arguments as: ‘polygamy is permitted, but the conditions of justice attached to it makes it effectively prohibited’. Or: ‘Corporal punishment is prescribed but hedged in with such unworkable requirements of evidence that it is virtually impossible to carry it out. Or, at least, it cannot be carried out unless an "ideal" just society is established, when it will in any case become unnecessary’.

Why those who advance this specious logic should think that God would lay down things which were impossible to practice is not made clear. As if He does not know how to say what He means, and say it clearly! Such excuses are unfair to the Qur’an and the Prophet, and an affront to their wisdom, and at the same time illogical and implausible to the unconvinced.

Answer 5

I'm just as confused as you, but about the structure of your question. It's hard to follow and your grammar leaves a lot to be desired.
But, for whatever I can gather, looks like you are against her claim as being discriminated, right?
First, you are all over the place. Any of the subjects you are siting has anything to do, whatsoever, with what she's claiming.
Second, we are not in any of those Islamics Countries.
Third, will you be Ok, if you were working at a Islamic Business and they would tell you that you were not able to wear a Cross, or aDavid Star, or the Image of the Virgin?
I don't think so, you'll be yelling bloody murder.
Finally, the ridiculous examples you are alluding to, are frowned at every religion or church, not just Islamic. get your facts together before posting a ludricous question as this one.

Answer 6

in this case i will have to say that i side w/ the hairdresser, because she has a point, if i were getting my hair done by someone i would want to know what their hair looks like and see how well, they do or don't do hair. even though i am muslim and i wear a hijab, i still feel this way because it only makes sense.

but i think you are wrong about everything else, because how/ when or if people in muslim countries discriminate against people has nothing to do w/ this woman trying to wear hijab in a non-muslim country that supposedly has religious freedom. but if you are in a "muslim" country and islamic law is the national law or even just social law, then you need to follow it. and being homosexual, fornicating, etc are all against islam. and i knwo muslims from muslim countries who for whatever reason practice these things and they all left, not because of persecution, but because that is the law and that is the way the people live and they don't need to change that.

and the hijab is NOT a fashion statement and it is not just for covering your hair, it is a way you carry yourself, w/ respect, not half naked for everyone in the world to see you, but instead to make people actually pay attention to you. i used to not wear hijab and i behaved the same way i do now that i wear it, but i have more respect now that i wear it. and it is a religious thing, nuns have something similiar and it is for modesty

EDIT:
what people do to punish others has nothing to do w/ islam, there are certain punishments in islam for certain acts but killing a 13 year old girl for having sex is not right. the punishment for fornication is 100 lashes(get hit 100 times) which doesn't kill you but it is so you learn your lesson. but the punishment for adultery is being stoned to death.

anyway, many muslims do not follow the sunnah and they participate in honor killings which have nothing to do w/ islam, they have to do w/ their ignorance. but there are many people of other faiths that do the same thing, i know hindus do it, i watched a special about it on national geographic. but i know it has nothing to do w/ hinduism, it has to do w/ their family name and wanting to preserve it, and killing their child is just a way to achieve that. which i personally find very disgusting, but that is just me

EDIT again:
many people of other faiths practice female genital mutilation, i saw that on national geographic too. but this practice is becoming less wide spread, because nowadays people know about the spread of disease, that it is cruel, and that it will have a permanent impact on the female, so most people no longer to it

Answer 7

hey just wanid to say my bit..i understand everyone has different opinions and perespectives on things..but most of you's have gone beyond that and basically are going against islam am sure this is not what its about..fair enough
in that case nurses that promote good health/diet and are obese should be sacked? no? doctors promoting good health that smoke should be sacked? yes?

Answer 8

if it's a muslim country then they can do whatever they want. this is a country of free religious belief. Here you can't stop someone from doing something just because you don't like it.

how about you stop acting like you know something about religion and go play with the rest of your white sheet wearing friends at the gun shop?

edit- maybe have read a lot about extremist Islam. But not every Muslim in the world is an extremist, in fact, most of them aren't. you hear more about them right now because they are the big bad guy in the media right now. In a few years we will have moved on to a new enemy and no one will care about the Muslims any more. A random skinhead in Britian will kill someone for looking at him the wrong way, there was a point in time when you'd hear that on the news often. it's not that skin heads have gone away, it's that the media now is covering those "evil muslims."

Some people being stoned in Iran doesn't have anything to do with a woman in LONDON trying to get a job. they are the same religion, but having the same religion doesn't make you the same people. I am not responsible for what random other people do and I should not be penalized for it. London is a place that is supposed to be up in the times, where people aren't treated differently for race or religion or other arbitrary things like that. she is right to sue and i support her for it.

Answer 9

I totally agree with you. She's gone for the wrong job and it is understandable the employer turned her down. She did not fit with the role/trendy surrounding. So what? She should get on with it!
Me and some friends are going for interviews these days and we had this conversation as to why we are not taken for jobs over other candidates: we obviously have the skills since we are appointed but when recruiters meet face to face, they want to see the personality, they want to see whether you are going 'to fit in' and the competition is fierce. We are white and WE just get on with it. Some white people also get 'discriminated' because they are fat or for whatever reason and don't go public about it!

Enough of these religious discrimination claims, we don't want to hear about them! Too much fuss.

Answer 10

She is just like the rest of the Muslims in the UK, just trying to make some easy money from the British people who have worked hard to make their businesses a success. I think when she loses her claim (the Muslim), she should be deported for wasting BRITISH taxpayers money on the court case. Hope she is reading this.