For the more intellectual thinker please?

Question

people keep asking how God can send someone to hell for doing what they do, answer this copy-paste I have set below

understand this, if you have kids, they as small kids mess up and you correct them. They grow a little bit and start to argue with you about how they are right, but you see it differently.

why would you expect to see things from God's perspective about right and wrong and punishment when you can't see things from your parents perspective when you are a child and definately of the same nature and essence as your parents.

what are your thoughts on the perspective of things from the two stand points

Answer 1

Consider this scenario:
A parent tells a child "Do not touch the stove; it is hot, it will burn you, and I forbid you to touch it."

The child is defiant, however, or simply doesn't listen to the parent, and the child touches the stove. The child's hand is burned.

The parent attempted to warn the child what would happen if he touched the stove. The parent even informed the child of the consequences of touching the stove. But the child touched the stove anyway, and was burned.

Notice: it was not the PARENT who punished the child for touching the stove by burning his hand. Rather, the burning of his hand was the consequence of his actions, even though the parent tried to prevent such a consequence from occurring.

Isn't it possible this is similar to the various degrees of consequences that can result from sin? God has informed us of the guidelines; He has informed us of the POTENTIAL consequences of not following the guidelines. If we choose to ignore or defy Him, then we are like the child whose hand got burned: it isn't God's "punishment", per se; it is what WE get as a consequence of our actions.

Just as the parent cannot undo the burn, even though they love their child and WISH they could undo it, God cannot undo our actions that bring upon us negative consequences. However, we are much more fortunate than the burned child: for if we repent, apologize to God for our offenses, and vow to TRY to do better, His Divine Mercy intercedes for us, and we will NOT be eternally punished. In the end, because of our gift of Free Will, WE are the ones who decide where we spend Eternity, not God.

Peace.

ETA: Dragonfire, interesting, didn't know that about Judaism! However, not ALL Christians believe it's straight to Hell for Eternity. Catholics believe in something similar to this Jewish concept of "rehab", Purgatory, in which you are purified for however long it takes, but eventually you WILL GO TO HEAVEN. In light of this, I can't imagine a Soul refusing to acknowledge God and ask forgiveness upon death, thereby sentencing themselves to an Eternity in Hell!!

ETA: Mike G, I just have to ask: are you an accomplished bass guitarist, who played in one of my favorite bands of all time? Or are you a different Mike G?

Answer 2

No parent worthy of the title behaves toward his offspring as God (the Father) has behaved toward the human race. The Deity of our ancestors is a compulsive serial mass murderer and is unworthy of modern humanity's admiration. Just as the victim of abusive parents must rebel against those evil parents to eventually become a person in his own right, so too must humanity eventually rebel against an abusive self-serving God who merely harvests imaginary souls, without due consideration for the quality of people's lives, or for achieving the full potential of our species.

Your question assumes God actually exists and is capable of rational thought. If this were true, God's behavior toward the human race has long been morally reprehensible and not at all analogous to how a loving parent rears their own children. Humanity has always greatly benefitted whenever real dictatorial tyrants have been forcefully purged from various human civilizations. It is now completely appropriate to similarly purge the imaginary dictatorial tyrant our ancestors once worshipped. The real issue is not how human beings interpret an imaginary God's imaginary actions, but rather whether it is appropriate for modern humanity to continue to pretend that such an evil Deity actually exists.

Answer 3

It seems very rational to me.

Max Lucado has compared the same concept to a trip to grandma's for Christmas. The children want to stop for ice cream and cheesy roadside attractions because they have never made the trip and the destination seems so far out of reach. The parents though, know the warmth, excitement and Mississippi Mud Pie that lies ahead. So, they put off the stops along the way, leading the children to the preferable destination. The children are resentful during the trip, until they arrive, realizing that grandma's house and all it has to offer by far outweighed the trivial stops along the way.

Brightest Bleesings

Answer 4

As a conservative, in the political, no longer the non secular experience. I examine many conservative thinkers in the criminal and educational geographical regions, yet once you're speaking with regard to the extra conventional geographical regions, like commentators or columnists, the only clever one left is George Will. Beck is a comedian, Rush is ignorant, O'Rielly intentionally slants his thoughts however selective modifying and reducing the mic. a lot of something all into the common to stupid type ( I however I do think of that Cal Thomas, merits specific notice because of the fact the dumbest guy who nevertheless manages to write down.). in case you like a conservative logician on your on a regular basis paper, persist with Will.

Answer 5

You cannot use the god=parent/child=mankind analogy and really expect to get away with it. The popular contention is that a god is infallible, while parents are "often" wrong. The associated concept of a naive child, and it growing and learning breaks the bounds of "mankind must follow god in order not to be punished" while we all know that when the child grows up, if they "have" followed in the footsteps of the parent, they have usually done so blindly.

Answer 6

The thing I do not agree with is not the concept of being punished for messing up but the concept of burning for all eternity for not saying sorry. But someone who murders can repent and all is good.

As a mother, I know all about discipline my children. I have been raising children alone for 5 years. I would never send my children to live in agony for not saying sorry.

Answer 7

Christians believe that Hell is for eternity...(yeah, a nice threat to keep people in line.

Jews believe that you get a maximum of 08 months in G-d's "rehab unit" before being allowed to join the others in heaven. If you are Beyond redemption...they you are destroyed completely.

No offense to the Christians, but I'm glad I am Jewish...I can do 08 months for a BLT standing on my head.

If you look at that universal theme of "G-d loves you"...then the rehab unit theory makes a lot more sense/

Answer 8

The Christian concept of a god--the god as the patron of the sick, the god as a spinner of cobwebs, the god as a spirit--is one of the most corrupt concepts that has ever been set up in the world: it probably touches low-water mark in the ebbing evolution of the god-type. God degenerated into the contradiction of life. Instead of being its transfiguration and eternal Yea! In him war is declared on life, on nature, on the will to live! God becomes the formula for every slander upon the "here and now," and for every lie about the "beyond"! In him nothingness is deified, and the will to nothingness is made holy! . . .

Christianity sprang from a soil so corrupt that on it everything natural, every natural value, every reality was opposed by the deepest instincts of the ruling class--it grew up as a sort of war to the death upon reality, and as such it has never been surpassed. The "holy people," who had adopted priestly values and priestly names for all things, and who, with a terrible logical consistency, had rejected everything of the earth as "unholy," "worldly," "sinful"--this people put its instinct into a final formula that was logical to the point of self-annihilation: asChristianity it actually denied even the last form of reality, the "holy people," the "chosen people," Jewish reality itself. The phenomenon is of the first order of importance: the small insurrectionary movement which took the name of Jesus of Nazareth is simply the Jewish instinct redivivus--in other words, it is the priestly instinct come to such a pass that it can no longer endure the priest as a fact; it is the discovery of a state of existence even more fantastic than any before it, of a vision of life even more unreal than that necessary to an ecclesiastical organization. Christianity actually denies the church...

Answer 9

I dont think likening a grown adult to a child is correct, aside from a few individuals. We have a much more advanced idea of cause and consequence as well as a much stronger ability to control our own actions. We seem to, at least the majority of us, follow our own laws without entirely too much trouble, so how does that differ from following the laws of God? And it seems strange that we avoid crimes that would cost of years, and yet have no trouble committing sins that would cost us an eternity.

Answer 10

The illustration is flawed inasmuch as hell cannot be likened to correction. Loving parental correction is designed to prevent the child suffering far more than the correction involves. Hell is not a place of correction. It is the terminal point of sin. That is why Jesus warned of the horrors of hell more than anyone else in the N.T. In that sense, God's warnings will correct us and prevent us suffering those horrors if we heed them. He will not force us to heed them.

Secondly, God does not SEND anyone to hell for hell is the unavoidable destination of every soul that rebels against God's authority. We all do that. The only outcome for alienation from God's authority is alienation from God for eternity. That is what hell is. The miracle is that God has actively intervened to prevent that outcome. He had no need to, but he chose to pay the price of our sin so that divine justice would be met for all who put themselves under God's authority on this matter. That is what faith is, and it leads to heaven. Until a person exercises faith in God, s/he is spiritually dead and cannot possibly see any spiritual truths without distortion. All those who rail against hell, calling God unjust, are spiritually dead. They need a modicum of humility to admit that if God is God, then they must accept his decrees before they can pontificate on what's right and wrong.