People throw the words "saved" around like it was water. I am willing to bet there are a LOT of people who think they are 'saved" and are not. If a person is truly saved, it is not likely they would be in the throws of an extra-marital affair.
Once saved always saved is not true.(see the passage below) The gift of salvation can not be taken from you, but you sure as heck can give it back. True Christians, because they love Jesus do their best to do what God wants them to do with the help of the Holy Spirit of course.
2 Peter 2:20 " If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord, and Saviour Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them."
Obviously from this passage, "once saved, always saved" doesn't make sense. It wouldn't speak of people loosing their salvation if it could never be lost.
As for the question you asked, you have to rely on God. If this was an actual moment of weakness and you truly belonged to God and had just stumbled... I think God would take that into consideration. God is Just and he knows our thoughts, deeds and all our actions. Only he can decide fairly who goes to heaven and who does not.
2007-11-09 02:14:34
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answered by Anonymous
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God, not man, judges.
We have no way to determine where this individual will end up. We are not the judges, God is.
However, we do have the New Testament that clearly states the position of an adulteress, John 8:1-11. Please note in this passage that Jesus never forgave the women but told her to leave her life of sin. Unfortunately, nothing is said about her following through.
The term saved in this case means deliver, rescue. Roman 10:9 uses the Greek word sOthEsE G4982 which means YOU-SHALL-BE-BEING-SAVED and Roman 10:10 uses the Greek word sOtErian G4991 which means SAV-ing. Within this passage will you not find repentance and forgiveness.
Answer: Being saved is exactly that: deliver, rescue. It is associated with hope of eternal life. You can be saved and commit adultry, but only God can judge.
2007-11-09 02:24:22
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answered by J. 7
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If you were saved, you were born from above. Nothing you do or don't do will change that. God disciplines his own children.
But if you had a heart attack during the act of adultery, this would indicate that God disciplined you & you went home early. It is Gods will that none would perish & all would have everlasting life.
Adultery didn't go to heaven with you. Sin will not go to heaven. Only the you who is made the righteousness of Christ.
To the lady up who said you can lose your slavation. You are reading that verse out of context. Once you are born again, you can't be an unborn child of God. Because this was a real miracle, to be born of his spirit & cleansed by His blood. But God disciplines his own, & we are led to confess our sin, & He (Jesus) is faithful & just to forgive us our sin & cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we refuse to confess our sin to Jesus, then the discipline gets a bit toupher. And some people die early.
Who is he who overcomes? He who is born of God. What is our victory? Our faith. See, Jesus overcame for us. So? We are already overcomers. Some Christians just don't know this because they don't renew their mind in the Word of God. So? It can seem like they are defeated. But Jesus already overcame for them & they are made the righteousness of Christ. And If they want to continue in adultery anyway, then Jesus will just take them home early with little reward.
2007-11-09 02:20:07
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answered by t a m i l 6
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The people who are responding "then you were never saved in the first place" are blowing my mind. Becoming a Christian doesn't mean you stop sinning. Ideally, it means you try, but we all continue to sin, and while the earthly repercussions from this sin are pretty nasty, all sins look the same from where God sits.
So my answer is this: If you are saved and married, and you commit adultery, you are still both saved and married--you've just screwed up. And it will bite you on hiney while you're still here, because God holds his followers to a high standard. But dying during the commission of the sin isn't going to land you in hell.
2007-11-09 02:14:51
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answered by BAMAMBA 5
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" Thou shalt not commit adultry " . All the repenting and forgiving that you think you're going to get , won't change anything . This world is a testing ground to determine who's worthy of heaven , and who gets the heat .
When you appear before the big judge , you take the whole load with you . Remember for two thousand years he was a tough , mean old SOB who would send you down for next to nothing . Everybody was taught to "fear the Lord " . Now in the last generation , he mellowed out into a kind old guy who forgives everything .
Was everybody wrong for two thousand years , or are they wrong now ?
At any rate , if you broke any of the commandments , please be prepaired for a lot of free heat - - - a few billion years worth .
Asking for forgiveness does not mean you're getting it .
2007-11-09 02:12:16
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answered by Anonymous
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You would go to Purgatory first.
Purgatory is simply the place where already saved souls are cleansed of the temporal effects of sin before they are allowed to see the holy face of Almighty God. Revelation 21:27 tells us that "...nothing unclean will enter [Heaven]."
That there are temporal effects of sin is obvious when one considers that even those who have been baptized, who have a deep and intimate relationshp with Jesus, who are the "elect" or "the saved/being saved," or what have you, are subject to pain, work, death and sickness.
The best way to understand the idea of already being forgiven but still having to be cleansed of the temporal effects of sin is by analogy: imagine you are the parent of a 7-year old child who steals a candy bar from the local grocery. The child is repentant, in tears, sobbing his apologies. You, being the good parent (as God, our Father is!) forgive that child and love him and show him your mercy. But being a good parent means that you are also just and will expect that child to pay back the store. Purgatory is God's way of forgiving us, loving us, showing us His mercy and justice -- and making us "pay back the store." Can you imagine what would happen to the child of a parent who never expected that child to "pay back the store" (especially when that same parent believed also that there was nothing that child could do to become "disinherited," as in the "once saved, always saved" doctrine)
Purgatory is His way of ensuring that Revelation 21:27 is true and that nothing unclean will see Heaven. It is only through Christ's sacrifice that we are shown this mercy! It is Christ and Christ alone Who allows us access to the Father.
Daniel 12:2, Matthew 12:32, 1 Corinthians 3:13-15, 2 Timothy 1:16-18, Hebrews 12:14, Hebrews 12:22-23, 1 Peter 4:6 and Revelation 21:10, 27 all speak of Purgatory in their telling of the need for purification, prayers for the dead, Christ's preaching to the dead, or how nothing unclean will see God.
2 Mc 12:42-46
Turning to supplication, they prayed that the sinful deed might be fully blotted out. The noble Judas warned the soldiers to keep themselves free from sin, for they had seen with their own eyes what had happened because of the sin of those who had fallen. He then took up a collection among all his soldiers, amounting to two thousand silver drachmas, which he sent to Jerusalem to provide for an expiatory sacrifice. In doing this he acted in a very excellent and noble way, inasmuch as he had the resurrection of the dead in view; for if he were not expecting the fallen to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death. But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin.
Experience teaches us that there are people who die so suddenly, they have not had the opportunity to confess their sins, but are not guilty of serious "death dealing" sin and separation from God.
2007-11-09 02:09:28
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answered by tebone0315 7
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According to some, God ignores or pretends not to see the sin because Jesus covers it over if one is "saved".
I've never understood that, and your example (though a crude one) is one of the reasons why I have a problem with the "once saved, always saved, no matter what" thing ... and actually points out that perhaps purgatory is necessary after all.
Someone else, of course, would say that this hypothetical adulterer was "never saved in the first place" or "his conversion wasn't genuine" (presumably he would never have committed this act if he was truly "saved").
Beats me how anyone can tell the difference, then, between the saved and the unsaved ... until we die, and Christ is our judge.
2007-11-09 02:06:31
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answered by Anonymous
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And - if the person is in a homosexual relationship but has that chance in the final moments to ask forgiveness - then surely they would be forgiven and allowed to enter!!
Better yet - Jesus preferred sinners to come to him in repentance than Christians so the Homosexual would surely get priority!!!
2007-11-09 02:25:37
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answered by Anonymous
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remember when they brought the woman caught in the act of adultery and they asked Jesus what to do with her,at that time they stoned people to death for that,while doodling with His finger in the sand Jesus said to the people let the man w/o sin cast the first stone/of course no one could so He told the woman go and sin no more so we have a very forgiving God but it is one of the commandments...good question..God is no respector of persons
2007-11-09 02:05:53
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answered by loveChrist 6
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Yes, you would still go to heaven. You can't lose your salvation once you are saved! I think that you might not hear "well done, thou good and faithful servant!" from God when you entered heaven that way though....He might just smack you upside the head instead. LOL
2007-11-09 02:03:09
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answered by Blue Eyed Christian 7
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