who brought the idea of rapture before tribulation and when?

Question

evidence in the bible prove ortherwise. many christians like the idea because they dont want anything call suffering. but this thing will happen to them that will be alive at the time before the second coming of christ matt. 24:29, rev. 20 :1-7. 2 thess. 2: 1-10 all this scriptures agree with each other that tribulation must be, before rapture. how is it then that christains can assume becouse they refuse a part of the bible that God will then change His programme to suit them? i want some one to tell me something i did not see , with proofs not assumtions or feelings.

Answer 1

It is terrible theology, this is true, and was UNHEARD of before a failed Anglican clergyman (I am sorry to admit!) named Nelson Darby made the idea up in the mid-1800's. His "Plymouth Brethren" were the first group in all of Christendom to hold this view...and it's as wrong today as it was then.

Answer 2

I believe the idea of the rapture is based on Enoch who was translated before the great flood. Of course the fact remains that Noah was left behind to build the Ark and continue the bloodline for both humanity and other living things so the question remains; if the rapture is to happen, who would be taken and who would be left? Seeing that according to Revelations there will be prophets in the last days.

In Matthew 24:37 Jesus said, "As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man."

Answer 3

According to the bible the rapture is before the tribulation. The rapture is god taking his own to heaven. This then is what is known as the tribulation where the antichrist rises to power. This would be about 3and half years after the tribulation. The anti christ would rule for 3 1/2 more years. then the seven horses bringing seven whatever apon the earth. when that was all over the one thousand year reign of god... what happens then who knows. We cant prove or disprove any of it. I used to be a born again christian and now I am not. Who made god.... who did cain marry.. many more questions are not answered and never will be. God is a crutch. God is an excuse not to take responsabilty for ones own actions and a reason to kill and start wars. This is not a god I want to say is mine. But hey believe in what you want its a free country here in australia... (no offence is meant by this but just my opinon)

Answer 4

Rapture refers to being taken up in the spirit so you can see into the other dimension, where Satan and the forces of the dark side are being defeated.
It does no mean you float up into the air and disappear from the earth like in one of those Left Behind novels.

Answer 5

The rapture became popular in the 1830's because a person translated it though his own interpretation of the Bible. Just like so many others.

Answer 6

It's a view popularised by Darby but I would agree it doesn't have a very sound basis in Scripture.

Witchy-Woman - I think you may be getting muddled up here. John the Baptist was beheaded by Herod; I think you mean the Apostle John on the Island of Patmos. He didn't have magic mushrooms but I suspect you may have :o)

Answer 7

some dont agree...matt 24:31 is considered a rapture verse
i would prefer death before the madness begins..

Answer 8

As Father K said, it was made up by Darby. Dispensational premillennialism is terrible theology, I can't understand why it is so popular at the moment.

Answer 9

1 Thessalonians 4:13-17: "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

1 Corinthians 15:51-53: "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

In this passage, Paul adds one more concept to the description of the Rapture in 1 Thessalonians. He believes that people with normal bodies cannot attain Heaven. The believers' bodies would be instantly changed to a form of "spiritual body," so that they may enter Heaven. Again, if one interprets the verse literally, Paul emphasizes the imminent timing of the second coming. It did not happen during his lifetime, nor did it happen in the subsequent 19½ centuries. Some theologians who believe in the inerrancy of the Bible suggest that Paul was really addressing Christians in the 21st century.

In 1 Thessalonians 4:15, Paul refers to "the Lord's own word" as the source of his teaching. Some interpreters believe that this refers to a personal revelation that he received from God. Others believe that Paul is referring to a tradition circulating in the early Christian movement about Jesus' teachings on this matter. He comforts his readers by assuring them that the Christians who are still alive will "certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep." (NIV)

In 1 Thessalonians 4:16 Paul describes the return of Christ to earth. The specific series of events will be:

Christ will descend from the heavens with a shout. This is based on the 1st century CE belief that the earth is the center of the universe, and that heaven is above the firmament -- a solid interface between the atmosphere and heaven, located just a few hundred feet above the earth's surface. Thus, Jesus would have to descend from on high and come through the atmosphere in order to be seen by humans.
The voice of the archangel is heard. Some speculate that this will be the Archangel Michael.
A trumpet call is heard. This may be similar to the trumpet sounded when the Jewish people were gathered together (e.g. Numbers 10:2).
The bodies of faithful Christians will be reconstituted where they were buried. They will rise out of their graves, and ascend into the air to meet Jesus.
Only after the "dead in Christ" have left their graves will "we who are still alive and left" will also ascend to meet Jesus in the air. Paul appears to have believed that he and many Christians who were alive circa 50 CE would still be alive when Christ returns. He was mistaken.
Those who have ascended to be with Jesus will be with him for all eternity.
Most of humanity will remain behind on earth. Most Evangelicals believe that this will include: The 67% of the world's population that are non-Christian, and
A majority of persons who consider themselves Christians but who have never been saved.

Only about 35% of American adults consider themselves to have been saved.

Mark 13:26-27: "And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven."

This appears to be a brief reference of the parousia and rapture. It differs from St. Paul's description, in that angels appear throughout all the earth to gather Christians up to heaven. People do not rise unaided, as in 1 Thessalonians. There is no mention of the dead having reassembled bodies and rising from their graves.

There are references to the Pre Tribulatory Rapture throughout the Bible these are just a couple of sources.

Answer 10

John the apostle when he was banished to that Island of Patmos had visions of the rapture. Some say they were god sent..others say he was just tripping off the idengenous mushrooms that grew there!