John the Evangelist and John of Patmos the same person.
Year 96 C.E, 63 years after Jesus ´s death.
2007-11-08 06:18:20
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answer #1
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answered by Anonymous
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John of Patmos and John the Evangelist are the same individual. The document in question (Revelations) dates to around 95-96 C.E. by it's grammatical use, however may derive from a much earlier source (possibly as early as 71-75 C.E.). There is very little evidence that John the Apostle ever left Jerusalem, as sighted by Paul's writings. The theology of Revelations is classic Pharisaic post-perusia doctrine with a HUGE amount of greek gemetria, so the author is most likely a non-jew taught by a pharasaic jew (possibly Paul). It was definitely not John the Baptist. For one, he was beheaded long before Jesus was killed and the followers of Jesus/followers of John was the earliest schism and split in the Gallilean movement. Clement writes extensively about it and mentions many arguments between Peter and John the Baptist's followers. The followers of Jesus went one direction and called themselves Christians and the followers of John went in another direction and are known as the Mandaeans. Amongst their sacred texts include the Sidra-de-Yahia (book of John the Baptist).
2007-11-08 14:41:01
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answered by marcellat74 1
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John of Patmos and the Evangelist are the same, I believe. The Baptist was already dead at the time of the writing and the Presby didn't live for another 100 years or so. I'm not aware of different versions other than different translations but that's an issue we deal with for the entire Bible. I'm not sure anyone knows the truth but I don't believe a complete understanding of the Revelation is necessary to receive salvation. I'm favorable to the explanation found in Rubel Shelley's book, "The Lamb and His Enemies." Shelley believes the Revelation is about the fall of Ancient Rome. His explanation makes more sense than the end of time theory...but that's just my opinion.
2007-11-08 14:28:33
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answered by starfishltd 5
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well the truth is for you to decide but the very beginning of The Book of Revelation it sais John from Patmos... and John the Baptist was already dead by the time that book was written... the others not so sure of.
Edit: evangelist and patmos John's are the same person i think
2007-11-08 14:21:04
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answered by big202b 2
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John the Beloved.
There are different versions because we are allowed our free agengy, and the "doctrines and precepts" of men are rampant in the world. We are allowed to believe what we want to.
This is the truth:
The books of the New Testament were not selected, edited, and collated until hundreds of years after the death of Jesus. John was still alive then, and in disguise, visited those responsible for its canonization. His writings were profound. They gave the editors a different view of Jesus’ ministry than that which had been passed down from one generation to the next. John also delivered his manuscript for his Revelation to the editors, knowing they would never comprehend its meaning because of the symbolic and metaphorical way in which it was written. In this way, John maintained the integrity of the manuscript for hundreds of years.
...It is expected that the masses thus blinded will rise up in rebellion and anger against this message of truth, as it explains the book of Revelation in a plainness and simplicity never before known. Though organized religions of the world and self-proclaimed experts might rise up, fight, and reject these truths and unfolded revelations, their disagreement does not negate the truthfulness and wondrous glory of the mysteries of God presented in the book of Revelation.
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2007-11-08 22:14:01
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answered by smallone 4
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John (Jesus cousin through Mary's sister)
Equals: John the Evangelist (and Patmos) as Moises mentioned in his above answer.
John was the last of the Apostles to die in the beginning of the 2nd Century.
Revelation, great book
its the only book in the Bible where we (in the modern times) are characters within the book......
2007-11-08 14:21:47
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answered by Sith Boy 2
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God
thru John
2007-11-08 14:21:24
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answered by jesussaves 7
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John the Baptist.
I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, Rev 1:9-10
The "tribulation" took place 0 to 280 AD
The "great tribulation" took place 1680 to 1960 AD
There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. John 1:6-8
And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou? And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ. And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No. Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself? He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.
John 1:19-23
John the Baptist was sent by God to witness for Jesus.
John the Batist than clarifies which John he is, so there is no doubt.
But before this John the Baptist states "this is the record of John"
It is clear that the writer of this book had a greater knowledge of Jesus than the 12 apostles.
John and Judas were the only two followers of Jesus who died before Jesus was crucified, buried, rose from the dead, was "gloroified and ascended to heaven" (the LORD's Day.
The book of Revelation and the Gospel according to St, John were both written by John the Baptist.
For those who say it was not John the Baptist, because he was beheaded, do not believe the Words Jesus spoke.
"Lazarus come forth"
For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. John 5:21
Even though many confess that they believe in Jesus, they do not.
2007-11-08 18:25:17
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answered by Anonymous
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The Apocalypse was written in part by the ex-apostle John while in prison for speaking the truth about who Jesus actually was. Revelation is a combination of Apocalypse and the minute entries of an ancient Jerusalem military tribunal where witnesses told their account of the war between Rome and Jerusalem and that Jesus had not been crucified and was in fact the adopted son of Julius Caesar and the natural son of Marc Antony and Cleopatra vii.
2007-11-08 14:27:28
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answered by Anonymous
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No one knows for sure, but from the accounts there it appears as if it was John the Evangelist.
However, it doesn't really matter, as the writer claimed that he wouldn't die before the return of Jesus, which is clearly a false prophesy.
2007-11-08 14:31:11
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answered by ɹɐǝɟsuɐs Blessed Cheese Maker 7
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