Does anyone see a destructive PATTERN here??

Question

“I am prepared to fight and die for my cause. I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit, disgraces of human race and failures of natural selection,”

~posting by the Finland student who killed 8 people and then himself...

I was waiting to hear what was going on in this child's mind. Surprise, surpise...natural selection...survival of the fittest, void of God and a respect for life including his own.

When are we going to admit that the absence of any faith in God + a lack of respect for human life a la natural selection + extreme social pressure in a CHILD is a destructive MIX?

You may say that you survived atheism and YOU are all well and good, but is it about YOU? or is it about our greater society as a whole? You may think that belief in God is silly, but its far less malevolent to the emotional health and wellbeing of children than telling an 8 year old at bedtime..."that's life honey...youre going to be worm food in 70yrs anyway...sweet dreams"..

These are children...not adults...and if you DO feel its all about you and your family then thats PERFECTLY validates the selfish behavior of a person who, when they lose their OWN will to live, then no one else really matters.

Answer 1

Nope. But you have fun with that idea if it makes you feel all superior. Based on your flimsy meaningless evidence I guess when atrocities were divided up atheists got the schools shootings and theists got CHILD RAPE. And I think you guys might be ahead of the atheists at the moment. I guess it's more efficient when you hand your kids over to the molester every week.

You can't run from the fact that people who believe like you are just as violent and destructive as anyone else. You just have a different rationale for it than those who don't believe.

Answer 2

What you're doing here is trying to tie crazy with atheism. You see, that won't really work, because the argument goes both ways. This one example of an atheist going insane and killing others doesn't come anywhere near the atrocities committed in the name of your god. This incindent just happens to be the most recent.

Fingers can point all day long, and when they get tired, someone else will take over to continue the everlasting blame game. The truth is that murder is individual choice, and the use of an ideology as a motive is generally a cover-up for an ulterior motive. Since you are a Christian, you should be able to understand that- The murders commited in the name of your god for millenia don't reflect on you personally, do they?

So drop your finger, and step away from the war zone. We are all in this together.

Answer 3

So, it's going to be less emotionally destructive to force feed a blind faith to a child, a belief system that has been used and manipulated by people in power and authority for hundreds of years as a lever for mind control and abusive and destructive behavior?

Then again, if someone is going to go off on a destructive binge, than it wouldn't matter if they were an Atheist, Xian, or even Islamic, whatever form of hook they use to hang their self-image on is going to be used as the basis for their reasoning as to why they are committing their act. So with Atheist it might be natural selection, with Xians it's destroying sin or blasphemy, and Islam it's a Jihad against the unbelievers...To the ones dying, it doesn't matter whatever self-delusional reason is used as an excuse, they just die.

Meanwhile, I could point out the mercenary and creepy attitude, to sit there and take a tragedy like this, and twist it around into a self-serving attack on Atheism, trying to make it into a cheap dime-store tract for your self-delusion of choice.

Answer 4

If you are trying to say that the student who killed the people did do because of his non religious beliefs , perhaps you would also care to enlighten us on theattitude of telling an 8 year old: 'if you don't believe in Jesus, baby, your gonna rot with Satan', oh that and child abuse in the Church.

There is nothing malevolent to emotional health about having any belief.

What is dangerous is the attitude you approach your beliefs with.

Answer 5

I can cite more Christians who have used Christianity and the Bible to justify horrific actions than you can cite people who've used evolution to justify horrific actions.

However, it's irrelevant because generalizing the beliefs of one person and applying specific aspects of them to all who share certain general beliefs with that person is completely illegitimate.

It would be the equivalent of me saying "since Christians believe that people will have an afterlife, they don't value life on Earth which is why Christians like Jim Jones are so willing to murder others." It doesn't mean that Christianity is bad, it means that some people twist the message and use it to justify their own vicious behavior.

My point is, I could easily change some words in your post and use the form of your argument to argue against Christianity. Since you accept your argument as valid, you would have to accept mine as valid too. (Or reject your argument, which is the point I'm making.)

Picking out one person also doesn't suggest the existence of a destructive pattern. A pattern requires multiple instances. For example, I could cite the protestant bombings of Churches in northern Ireland as a destructive pattern based solely on religion.

Answer 6

Yeah, I've never quite understood how anyone who believes in evolution can also find any ground for things like compassion and human rights. If you believe in natural selection, and even if you don't start killing people you believe inferior, it would seem inconsistent to, for instance, spend money on medical research. If people have genes making them susceptible to cancer or they have a birth defect, let them die. Expose children who are less than perfect (like me). Forget aid to disaster victims and poor countries -- the survivors will be 'worthy' of survival.

A true Darwinian philosphy is excessively cruel. And that, not any supposed contradiction of creationism or intelligent design, is why I oppose the teaching of evolution as if it were established fact. It's a THEORY, people.

Answer 7

There are many more psychopaths who used God as a pretext for serial murder.

Natural selection in social animals like humans beings has resulted in the evolution of social fitness--altruism, cooperation, and charity. All biologists teach this.

And for the responder above, both Mao and Stalin persecuted evolutionary biologists (such as the great Soviet scientist Vavilov--sen to the Gulag and killed for espousing evolution) as bougeous scientists.

Ignorance is no excuse for bearing false winess folks.

Answer 8

You take the actions of a crazy kid and twist them to support your belief in a god. What about the inquisition, crusades, and witch trials. All done by faithful.

Answer 9

instead of assigning blame to atheism or Christianity, why not focus on poor parenting skills, which is the delivery system?

each side claims they are awesome, but if the truck that delivers the awesome is dangerous or broken...we get kids like little mr. finland...

Answer 10

religion causes more trouble than anything else. it is about parenting, some do not know how to raise kids so they turn to god and the bible which is just a instruction manual on morals, not good ones by the way. they basically scare their kids with things like hell to get them to be good. because teaching them to be good is a lot harder than just giving up and filling their head with lies.