please just atheiests !!!?

Question

I actually have three Q.'s so here they go...when we Christian put our hands in the air and even cry it is said to be in the presents of god. Some of you say there is no proof of there being a god. so then can you answer why this happens and how?
And also we can't see him so don't you think there would have to be a good reason for us to believe that he is there. do you think we would just say that we believe to have our feelings hurt and still go strong for him?
Now put all aside k. If you were to die and god was real, what would you say for yourself. and if he did not exist what has been lost on our behalf and what has been won on your behalf?
Time has not been lost because it has safe guarded us in case of existence. fun has not been lost because of experience of faith and challenges and heal lings and feelings. we have even gained things if he isn't there like a feeling that has brought us to our knees on earth and others like us as a friend and they come to us for guidance.

i really didn't rely that it was such an attack but to me some sound confused. 1) I use to go see "worldly bands" and have experienced that what has been said and I honestly now where your coming from but it is different while in a prayer or worship session.
2)sorry honest- I use to rob things for fun and believe in nothing and then the devil because i new he never existed so the other wouldn't either but now i know he exists
3) this was a bit of an attack and i am sorry but see it from my point of view PLEASE! good ppl going to hell because they did not believe in Jesus( it scares me) i didn't mean to go off on to what i would loose but i was really trying to think about your lives- can you really take this chance( like you deads for much longer then you r alive)

Answer 1

Well, I'm not an atheist, but I do have a few friends who are atheists, and I know how they think.

1 and 2- power of suggestion

3- Oh well.. I evoke my right to "freedom of choice"

Answer 2

1st question: The mind is a very powerful thing. You feel scared when the lights are off even though their is no cause. If you see a spider you'll often get that feeling that one is crawling up your leg even though there is not. My point is if your all gathered together, music playing, people cheering, preacher yelling, and it's all for God. I'm sure its an overwhelming feeling of warmth and comfort and joy.

2nd question: Thomas Aquinas made up reasons along time ago to explain why God does this and that, good or bad. The church teaches this. When your a kid your family will teach you of praying and stating that all things happen for a reason. These things explain why you believe in him so strongly regardless of seeing him. Of course you don't see him but (due to reasons stated above) you "feel" him.

3rd question: If God was real, I would say things to him that would get me in trouble with yahoo. I'd ask him why he hates gay people and allows such horrid things to go on. Of course he'd probably say to me, "Erick, I don't know where they got the idea that I was all good and powerful, can't they see the horrible natural disasters that occur. I just like messin' with people." Anyways, if he doesn't exist nothings been lost on my (atheist) side. On your side however you have wasted the only life you have by attending church, saying prayers, and thinking of god when you could've been thinking about more important things. You would've been more self reliant and a much stronger person because you didn't need a god in your life. You'd also have passed it down to your children and continue the cycle.

Answer 3

I understand what you're saying. But, from my POV, I just think it's "getting caught up in the moment" that makes parishioners cry and wail and Praise the Lord. It's called "mob mentality" when a group gets "in tune" with each other and all feel the same way. To me, it doesn't prove there's a God. It just proves you are all feeding off each others' passion and enthusiasm.

Although no one can see God, I believe Christians, Jews and Muslims "believe" someone's "there." But keep in mind, most of you have been told that since birth. And those of you who converted later on in life ... it's just "mob mentality" again (an unfortunately negative phrase) that instills the notion that God exists and is right there, sight unseen.

Your last point ... is a good one. It's better to be a believer and go to Heaven, IF there's a god, than to be non-religious and get left behind, IF there's a god.

BUT - I object to people who make the mistake of living each and every waking moment saturated in religious rituals and thought. Don't you think, if there was a loving God, he would be more mature than us and not need constant validation and adoration? Don't you think he MIGHT just want us to live a normal life, just following the Ten Commanments and thinking about Him on Sunday for a few hours in the morning?

Why do some Christians have to talk like an ancient "disciple," with thee's and behold's and silly bible babble? Why can't they talk like a normal human being? I mean, all the stupid nonsense you read on R&S every day about "He who does not accept Jesus Christ, the son of God, Holy of Holies, King of Kings, and almighty God as Lord and Savior ... with lamb's blood and Holy Ghosts and junk, will perish in everlasting blah, blah, blah?" It's really, really dumb! It's old-fashioned and archaic, at the very least!

Well, that's my opinion. Hope it clarified one atheist's slant on things.

Cheers.
:)

Answer 4

1. It happens because you have worked yourself into a high emotional state. You could manage to do it at anything, from a rock concert to a car crash - you just happen to do it while in church.

2. Do you believe in EVERYTHING you can't see? What about dragons? Fairies? Other gods? NO? Then why should we?

3. Do you do this just to get your feelings hurt? I surely hope not. I would rather believe you do it because of your faith.

4.If I were to die, I can fully account for my life with any god who calls me before him or her, because even though I'm not perfect, I have led a decent life and usually take fully responsibility for my actions. Not everyone can say that, and certainly not every Christian.

5. What have I gained or lost? Nothing. Because I'm here to live life, love and be loved, help and teach others. I'll not have wasted my life. So what did I gain? A very full life. What have I lost? Nothing that I didn't already set aside.

I have had emotions that have brought me to my knees - yet they were fully attributable to my surroundings and situations. I have my friends I can go to, and I have others come to me for guidance. So far you've said nothing that proves I need a religion.

Answer 5

1) Crazy people have all sorts of seemingly unfounded emotions.
2) People have deluded themselves to believe crazier things.
3) I would say "I know you didn't expect a being that you created to be intelligent to simply believe anything on faith alone, right?"
4) As an atheist I've kept my life and I've lived in a way I found to be morally defensible. As a Christian, I would have lost what finite existence I had the great opportunity to enjoy, only to spend it worrying, praying and waiting to die so I could be with a God that doesn't actually exist.

Non-spiritual atheists know that life must be enjoyed, used for good, both of the first two (ideally, and I'll leave out the plethora of other options) or be lost because it's the only one we've got. That's special to us. It gives LIFE ITSELF more meaning than any religion (IMO) ever could give me. It can be hard knowing that once I die, that's it and I won't reap the rewards of a life well-spent, but during my life I can enjoy knowing that I've done my best, I've helped and loved others and hopefully I've made the world a better place.

Can Christianity say this? Maybe. But I know that waiting for the Messiah to come back and fix everything is not conducive to maintaining a sustainable society or world.

So while YOUR busy saving YOUR soul, I'LL be busy trying to save THE WORLD'S (not to mention trying to reverse the damage of religions that believe the world is a transitory mess anyway).

Answer 6

1. Happens because you want it to happen. I cried when I saw Adam Lavigne... and he was actually there. Why don't you cry when you see Adam Lavigne? Don't you feel his power?
2. What exactly are the reasons you think he is there? Because someone told you to believe? If you were never taught about God do you think you'd still believe in him?
3. If I die and God says "Look, I'm real" I guess what I'll have to say for myself is "Oops." And if God is not real nothing will be won or lost on anyone's behalf...it wont matter we will be dead.

Answer 7

1) That happens because you are so emotionally tied to what you are doing.
2) For the same reason little kids believe in Santa. You have a desire and a need to believe a magic presence is looking out for you.
3) I would say that I lived my life in service to others and did not allow a love of money to blind me to the suffering of others. How about you??

Some atheists do believe in an afterlife and in the presence of something that binds all living things. They just don't believe in a god with an identity that can be described. It's possible to be spiritual without being religious.

Answer 8

" it is said to be " assures nothing.
Lots of things are "said to be" which aren't.
There's propaganda, spin, hype, prejudice... and much more out in the world. And that includes the particular viewpoints of political and religious movements.

Most human beings derive satisfaction from group activities and rituals. From football crowds to folk festivals to the Nuremberg rallies of the Nazi party.
That it "feels good" does not make it supernatural or authenticate the ideology of the group involved.

There are plenty of grounds for the existence of the phenomenon of religion which don't require the actual existence of a deity.
(note that world-wide there is little agreement at key points as to the nature of this deity/deities)
In the past, and in some places today, any who didn't at least outwardly declare belief were liable to social disapproval, ostracism or more severe punishment. That will produce a wonderful appearance of sincere belief for a start.

And Pascal's wager is a nonsense.

You may just be young, but you appear frighteningly naive.
Please, please, learn to think more critically.

Answer 9

Here's the deal. Atheists cannot grasp what may seem obvious to Christians and religious people in general. They have no feelings of connection to anything spiritual. Period. There is no faith there because they cannot be brought to believe because it makes no sense to them.

1) Any person can roll around on the floor and spew gibberish and call it tongues. Any person can hold their hands up and cry. For you, the reason is obvious, but Atheists cannot see, feel, or establish connection with this presence. Period.

2) You may feel you have good reason to believe, but Atheists cannot make this connection, because there is no connection to make to them. None.

3) Atheists believe in no afterlife. This is a one shot deal. Aside from that, your own manuscripts say that Atheists wouldn't make it to some glorious kingdom. They get stuck on earth and left to their own devices, and if that DID happen, they would probably just hunker down somewhere and rest.

As for losing time, fun, etc...Atheists don't see it that way because they cannot establish the same connections that you may be able to. It just doesn't happen. They don't get that warm, fuzzy feeling in them when they pray, because it doesn't mean anything to them. That connection is not there.

Please, if anything at all, just try to understand that Atheists, Agnostics, and every non-christian just doesn't feel the same way you do about Jesus, God and all those other things you hold dear. It just doesn't make sense to us.

Answer 10

To answer your first question,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Sq-YUdq1OI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DylNVUN_3I

even an atheist can hypnotize people into believing in God, it doesn't mean is God real.

Second is just a form of Pascals wagers, which has answered so many times I'm surprised it still gets brought up. Look up some of the arguments, I'm not going to repeat them every five minutes.It's still a waste of time for atheists. If it makes you feel good fine. Don't expect religion will make everyone happy just because it makes you temporarily happy and don't assume that that happiness doesn't come at a cost.

Answer 11

1. the mind is stronger than the body. I can try to make myself feel emotion and actually feel it, especially in the presence of peers that are doing it, and when i think it is supposed to happen.

2.You belive because thats what you have been taught/ want to belive. You belive for hope.

3. Dedicating my life to something that has a very very small chance of existing seems like a Vegas sucker bet to me.

Being an athiest, i know I have only 1 life to live and I must live it to the fullest, or i am taking it for granted. There is much more meaning to life being an athiest, but much more happiness being a religious theist (again the fact over hope thing, facts are brutal. hope make you calm and happy). As an athiest i know everything is on me, no god to turn things over to, no reason to be passive because of heaven. I have to "suck the marrow out of life"- Emerson.

Theists dont have to worry, because they believe ultimately there is paradise in heaven, this lack of worry is a source of happiness.

Athiests have to worry,because if they dont, they effectively waste their one life. This leads to a life of meaning, with satsifaction, not happiness, although it is a brutal and tough path, nothing great is accomplished without great difficulty.

Now, atheists can also opt for the life of happiness by living in the moment, (possibly as a buddhist) and christians have had lives of meaning (Mother Teresa). what i am presenting is that hope is a source of happiness, provided by religion, while factuality is a source of meaning, provided by athiesm. Religion just make it easier to be happy, while athiesm makes it easier to have meaning because of how the interests are aligned