A question for "Gay" christians...?

Question

How is that possible? The bible is VERY black and white about it so how do you get around it in your head? Honestly not trying to bash gays here. I have slept with just about as many men as I have women but... I could never believe in a god that created me the way I am only to call me an abomination.

Very pc of you dear, bravo.

Ehhhh... when the bible says man shall not lie with man... I think its pretty b&w.

Answer 1

http://www.gaychristiansurvivors.com/

This site may help. There are many welcoming Churches.

Answer 2

Hi Jamus. I'm not gay. I'm actually an Evangelical Christian but if you'll entertain my two cents...
First, I apologize for all the crap and meanness I'm sure you've received from a lot of my fellow "Christians." What they tend to forget is that sin is sin. (I'll spare you the verses.) :-)
You can sleep with whoever you want to tonight and it's no different from the thoughts I had for some of the idiot drivers on the freeway coming home this evening. We're both just as guilty. By choice - or how we were created - it doesn't really enter into the equation.
We can ask ourselves - for example - if we have ever stolen anything? Or lied? And that's *ever* as in *just once*? (And this is Ten Commandments stuff - hard to argue with that.)
Well <<>>. Sorry. Thanks for playing but you don't qualify for heaven - at least not on your own works. That's the whole point of the Bible. That's the whole reason for Him sending His Son down here - that whole "so that whoever believes in Him will not die, but have everlasting life" thing.
If He needs us to change who we are or what we do, He can do that. The party is "come as you are." We get to let him do the hard part. Neither me, nor any of my friends, met any sort of "good enough" standard when we became Christians. Although I dare say we have all been hugely changed - in a more God-like way - since becoming Christians.
I mean I have one good friend who was a Meth addict, another who was a Speed freak. After becoming Christians they just walked away from those addictions. Just walked away - didn't replace it with something else. And believe me, I'm a skeptic (Agnostic till my 30's), if I didn't know them I'd have a hard time believing that.
So no, the Bible (and therefore God) doesn't approve of your lifestyle, but if any of us can read the Bible and not find plenty of areas where we "fall short" - on our own - we're not reading very carefully.
Try those questions on someone next time they berate you. And maybe try reading something like the Book of John some time - it sums the whole idea up pretty well in one book. He created you in His image and He does really want to have a connection with you.
Boy, I'm long-winded tonight. Sorry for the dissertation.

Answer 3

The Bible is not black and white at all. First of all - as Christians we are bound only by the New Testament; of which the one single reference to homosexuality implies man is turning away from his natural affection for women - if you never had this natural affection, how could you turn away from it?

Secondly - Jesus Christ Himself never mentioned homosexuality. At all. Ever. Quite curious considering what a major issue it has become in the modern church today. And yet Jesus Christ did condemn divorce and re-marriage many many times - in fact, equated it with adultery - and look how the church today rationalizes all of its adulterous members.

Remember how incredulous his disciples were and Jesus had finally responded "It is a hard saying and not every one can accept it; but only him to whom it is given". At worst - that is the exact same principle behind homosexuality - maybe celibacy is for some men and women of same-sex orientation, but it is not for every one of us. Just like every divorced person is not expected to remain celibate and unmarried.

Sorry for the long answer but you obviously hit a nerve here. I am a Christian, and I am gay.

And as the Apostle Paul said, "By the grace of God, I am what I am."

Answer 4

First of all "abomination" in Hebrew refers to anything forbidden for the Israelites. For instance, Leviticus 11 says that eagles are an abomination, and so are owls, storks, various types of water creatures, "and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth," just to name a few. Locusts, by the way, aren't abominations.

Still, abomination or not, the prohibition of male-male sex is pretty straightforward. And at the beginning of the passage, God tells us why He's giving these rules - because He wants to keep the Israelites pure and separate from the polytheistic cultures surrounding them (Lev. 18:1-4). This helps explain why the Israelites are forbidden to shave (Lev. 19:27), get tattoos (Lev. 19:28), wear clothing made of mixed fabrics (Lev. 19:19), or have sex during a woman's period (Lev. 18:19). It also helps explain the rather strange comments about things like sacrificing children to Molech (Lev. 18:21) and eating fruit too quickly from a tree (Lev. 19:23); and why the Israelites are forbidden to have sex with a woman and her daughter (Lev. 18:17) but nothing at all is said about sex outside of marriage or having multiple sexual partners. Outside of the context of keeping the Israelites separate, it would be a very odd collection of rules.


And secondly Several passages in the Bible do speak of same-gender sex. But in every instance, the Bible is talking about heterosexuals who, filled with lust, have become sex perverts. The Bible says nothing about innate homosexuality as we know it today or about people who are homosexuals.

Until the late nineteenth century the concept of homosexuality was totally unknown. No Bible writer knew of homosexuality, so no Bible writer could have said anything about it. When the Bible speaks of same-gender sex, it is always talking about heterosexuals who are given over to such lust that they commit lustful acts. There cannot be anything in the Bible that says anything about (unknown) homosexuality or homosexual people or acts by homosexuals.

Answer 5

The bible is not black and white about it at all. Some fundamentalists want you to believe that, but I've studied the bible for many many years. I know for a fact that the bible does NOT condemn gay people.

Sodom and Gomorrah? How is that a story about gay people? It's clearly a story about non-gay people who wanted to rape some angels in Lot's care. Check the book of Ezekiel: there is a long list of the "sins of Sodom" and homosexuality is not mentioned once.

The references in Leviticus? If you know the original language (which most fundamentalists don't) you'd know that the word that gets translated most often "abomination" is a very technical word having to do with idolatry. Combine that fact with the historical fact that some of the neighboring tribes of the Israelites worshiped Astarte, part of which involved going into the temples and having anal intercourse with the male attendents, and you start to understand it: it was an injunction to avoid the practice of heterosexual men going into pagan temples to take part in pagan rituals.

Etc, etc. All this information is readily available. Too much of it to list here, but trust me: the bible is not black and/or white at all about condemning what we know of today as gay people.

Answer 6

Yeah, gods really good at name calling. The longer I am away from my christian roots the more I realize that the whole god/bible thing is a bunch of crap. You can tiptoe through it and if you're lucky grab a few words of wisdom. But, the rest of it? Even the historical aspect of it is wrong. God has too many frail human qualities to impress me as god material. 2 faced.

Answer 7

I just really believe that even religion has to grow...I mean, in the bible it was permitted to own slaves, that is illegal now. It was ok to sell you daughters, it was a sin to work on the sabbath, and to eat shellfish. All of that has changed. Its very hypocrital of people to pick and choose things from the bible to follow as law. Im christian, but i believe that my God loves homosexuals too.

Answer 8

I have a relationship with GOD, not the Bible, not the Qur'an. Forget that, I don't need some church's beliefs to tell me what sexual orientation I'm supposed to be.

Answer 9

You're referring to Leviticus and a couple of other guys that had dreams. Not God. Has it ever occurred to you that the bible is inaccurate?

Answer 10

Everyone has the right to worship God. ANd no one has the right to condemn anyone.