Do you hate 9/11 Truthers? and Why?

Question

I have seen both sides of the argument. People claim that 9/11
Truthers are "conspiracy theorist nutcases" and kooks and
anarchists who are being disrespectful to those who died on 9/11
and to the soldiers who are risking their lives for the safety and
security of the USA. These are their "core beliefs":

1. They believe there is strong proof of an "inside job" on 9/11
(a) Controlled demolitions were used to destroy all 3 WTC
buildings; (b) No large debris or wreckage proving that large
passenger jet planes really did crash at the Pentagon (Flight
77) and for Flight 93; (c) Molten metal cannot be created by
open air fires

2. They believe the 9/11 Commission report was a whitewash
and a cover-up attempt that did not properly investigate what
caused steel-framed buildings to collapse due to the heat
from the jet fuel fires (the first time that any steel framed high
rise building has ever collapsed spontaneously due to fire, in
the entire history of construction).

3. They believe 9/11 was orchestrated for
ulterior reasons and motives, and that Al Qaeda
and Bin Laden are not responsible for these
attacks. They believe that the entire official
account shown by all the mainstream news
networks is false, or nothing but propaganda
and lies, designed to disguise the hidden
agenda of those who want to profit from the
wars in the middle east.

What if they are right?

What if everything they have been saying is
100% accurate and true?

Then the USA really is in a lot of trouble. So it
is your responsibility to know what is really
going on, because people's lives are at stake.
The soldiers, military people, middle eastern
civilians in Iraq and Iran.

What if everything you have been told about
9/11 was all blatant bald-faced lies, designed
to trick you into going to war? All designed to
manipulate your emotions and make you
angry towards a certain religion or a different
race of people?

It seems crazy to ask these questions but do
your own research.

It takes several months to learn all the facts that
have been uncovered about what happened on
9/11 (there is so much evidence proving that
everything you have been told about 9/11 is all
lies)... the lies are so huge and monumental, you
probably will not believe what you will see, but
just trust the science and engineering facts:

Melting temperature of steel = 1532 C.

Temperature of open air jet fuel fire = under 250 C.

due to low oxygen available in open air.

(Even in closed areas, with less access to O2
oxygen, the fires would burn colder)

Molten Metal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JithuVAIb7Y

Controlled demolitions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa7PN-8T2VY

Building 7:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ9BofDUXv0
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2073592843640256739

Flight 93:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-59kouBgO_s&NR=1

Pentagon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rgyq2H7PpO0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSeaZLYViwU

http://truth911.net

http://911weknow.com

If you disagree with me, that's ok. But just look
at the facts and the actual evidence. You cannot
afford to dismiss this evidence and go along with
lies and misleaders.

The people in charge right now have spent
trillions of debt money (that Americans will
have to pay back in the form of higher taxes),
to fund these endless wars in the middle east.

(Almost 5 years of occupation now!)

They are deliberately weakening the US
military, overstretching the reserves and
bankrupting the entire US economy, because
that is part of the plan. The destroy the USA
through endless wars and unpayable debts
that have to be paid back by tax-payers. The
debts that are being created have already
bankrupted the USA, because the entire war
was planned and orchestrated, not by Bush
or Cheney, but by "bankers" in England and
in Europe, who want to see the US military
pre-occupied and weakened to a point where
you don't have any more volunteer forces.

Why? To control the world with private armies.

You are probably not aware of this, but former
Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeld and
Dick Cheney, have been trying hard to privatise
the US military. That's why in Iraq, there are
many private "Security Companies" or private
armies (paid mercenaries) who work to
protect corporations... much like Hitler's SS,
but for private companies.

The grand plan is for global enslavement and
world depopulation.

"Elites" are planning to reduce the world's
population down to under 500 million, or down
to about 20% of current world population
levels. To do this, they must destroy any
strong military forces that can stand in their
way (the US army and military must be
weakened or decimated to a point where it
can no longer function to protect the USA).

They also want to implant RFID chips into
everybody so that the "elites" can control
everything in society (even your electronic
bank accounts and personal history will all
be stored on your personal ID chip), so they
can punish protesters.

I challenge ALL of you out there. Start
an open air fire using jet fuel or plain
kerosene, burning in a metal baking
tray (ironic, but use a steel baking
tray), and try to melt aluminium foil, or
try to melt steel with your air fire.

Go on! And while you're at it, measure
the temperature of the fire flames using
a pyrometer. Don't believe me, go and
do this yourself.

Then see with your own eyes if you can
get steel to melt into liquid before your
own eyes, using just an open air fire,
or if you prefer, make a closed volume
air fire.

Try to melt some steel over your open
air fire. eg. you can try to melt a steel
frying pan, or cooking pot, or steel
spatula, go on! Or maybe try to melt a
car or motorcycle engine piston, made
of steel, with your jet fuel fire. Go on!

If you can't do this, then explain all the
yellow molten steel dripping out of the
South Tower just minutes before it
collapsed?! The same molten metal
shown on ABC News video.

Answer 1

The free man is he who does not fear to go to the end of his thought.
- Leon Blum [ i can tell by your name that you are weak now! `wek now`]

Answer 2

Well I cat say I hatae them as a person but I terribly hate their stories. I witnessed the attack in New York and I saw two planes fly into the towers, yes they had windows and were both american and united.

(the first time that any steel framed high
rise building has ever collapsed spontaneously due to fire, in
the entire history of construction). .............................

It was also the first time a 1 ton jet plane fully loaded with fule crashed into a building at 500 miles per hour.
There are no engineers that physically investigated at ground zero that gfound evidence of demolition.
The one with the large debris is an entirely an inaccurate theory that really annoys me. The answer is, there was large debris.

The one thing I really hate about truthers is that when you prove there theories wrong, they still grow the same crap in your face. Also, the media isnt propoganda, you and I both know that every news organization(not fox) and al the big newspapers(newyork times, boston globe, san francisco chronicle, etc) rip apart bush every single day.

I can debunk every theory if you want, but I would like you to keep investigating into this and take a look at these links:

If you want to sit down for a few hours and want to watch every single point loose change makes debunked , go to this link:

http://www.lolloosecange.co.nr

or if you want to read the theories debunked:

http://www.911myths.com
http://www.debunking911.com

or, you can just type in debunk 911 in to youtube and youll find a ton of short videos.

Answer 3

I don't hate them but I think their beliefs are incorrect. For example, with respect to the points you raised:

1. The controlled demolition theory has been totally refuted

This is a question that MUST be answered by demolition experts, not laymen.

Here’s an article from the world-renowned journal, Implosion World that destroys the “controlled demolition theory” :

http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf

2. Insisting on “large debris” from a high speed plane crash is absurd because it’s well-documented that you get massive destruction in high speed plane crashes

Greg Feith, former senior investigator with the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), says this (utter destruction) is typical. Feith says that in 1997, a high speed plane crash In Sumatra left nothing more than a tire carcass and engine-parts the size of a pot lid. (Pop. Mech., “Debunking 9/11,” p. 87-88)

3. In terms of melted metal, no one is even sure if there was molten metal formed. If it was, it was certainly aluminum, possibly from the plane.

Building fires typically burn at around 1100 deg C.

Aluminum, which melts at 660 deg C, would be easily melted in the twin towers.

4. I'm not aware of any specific problems with the 9/11 Commission Report, only vague accusations. Vague accusations are usually vague because they would not hold up to scrutiny.

5. The Towers were not the first steel frame buildings to collapse from fire alone. They mainly collapsed because support columns were knocked out by the planes. The fires only helped. No other building like the Twin Towers has had both structural damage and fire together.

As NIST (National Institute of Science & Technology) says:
"About 60% of the 60 columns of the impacted face of framed-tube were severed, and many more were significantly deflected. “

Answer 4

Couldn't be an inside job. If it was, then:

1) Why was there molten metal? Controlled explosions don't cause molten metal.

2) Who hired the pilots to crash into the towers? What are the names and what proof is there?

3) Why does metal loose over 60% of it's strength at the heat that jet fuel produces?

4) If it were a controlled explosion that caused the towers to go down, why were there not windows on every 5 floors that blew out like all other controlled explosions?

5) Who rigged the towers with explosives? What are there names, and what proof is there?

6) Who hired bin laden to say that his group was responsible? What proof is there the he is lying?

7) What proof is there that the people who seen the planes hit the tower are lying?

I have not heard any proof on ANY of these questions, therefore we know that 9-11 was NOT a conspiracy.

Answer 5

Let me address item #1 first.

Their strong proof consists of grainy video and stills, and conjecture presented by "experts" that are not recognized as experts in an applicable field. The Phd most often cited is an expert in cold fusion, not structural engineering.

On the other hand, this site:
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/home
presents evidence, scientific papers, and studies that support, and prove the official explanation. The evidence presented has been reviewed by other experts in the field, and is based on solid engineering and scientific concepts.

As to your point #2: the 9/11 commission report. Allow me to point out that it is a summation of millions of points of data. As with any summation, not every point will be covered in depth, and there are bound to be "holes". I might also add that the commission openly admits that the report does not cover every aspect of the attacks to 100% depth.

Instead of pointing out what is missing from the report, and declaring it 'whitewash', what about looking at what the report did cover, and how well it was covered. For a government report, it was actually quite well written, and covered the events of 9/11 quite well.

Now, to answer your main question: Do I hate 9/11 truthers and why? No I do not hate them.

I pity them.

Instead of seeking knowledge, like they claim, they repeatedly choose to reject knowledge. They choose to remain ignorant of the repeatable scientific evidence presented on http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/home and other sites. They make statements like "You will never convince me that WTC 7 was not imploded."

You claim to seek the truth, but you are unwilling to listen to, and understand, any position that does not already agree with what you believe. And, for that, I pity you.

Answer 6

The problem with that whole tin-foil conspiracy theory isn't only that it's hogwash to anyone with an ounce of sense, but in believing it you're giving WAY too much credit to a government you claim to despise. The government is simply not that well-coordinated, and it would have absolutely nothing to gain from such a thing. The fact that you would rather believe such rubbish than the overwhelming evidence and testimony to the contrary shows the true motive of this conspiracy theory movement: to place blame on an administration you didn't like, rather than place the blame on a terrorist organization that has claimed responsibility for it, many many times. If a Democrat had been president during 9-11, there'd have been no tinfoil-hat conspiracy theory... at least not against the government. It would've been about aliens, Bigfoot, the Bermuda triangle, and the usual drivel. Hearsay, handpicking testimony from questionable sources, ignoring all the overwhelming evidence and testimony that debunk your theory... none of those things bode well if you hope to convince people in possession of fully-functional brains of your conspiracy theory. The fact that one would devote so much time to proving a fairy tale doesn't bode well with folks who have better things to do with their lives, either... like having a legitimate job, for one. I don't exactly put a lot of weight into the opinions of a few mentally-defective college kids with no real-world experience.

Answer 7

as someone who has questioned the whole story from day one- the '9/11 truth movement' is kind of annoying to me.

It was a lot easier to have an intelligent, rational discussion about it before the internet was saturated with 15 year olds that watched 'loose change' on google video (which has some flaws to begin with), then went around regurgitating all of the information in an inarticulate manner, or just getting it completely wrong.

for example, i see a lot of people talking about how the '9/11 truthers' are wrong, because fire can melt steel, when no one (who knows what they're talking about) ever said fire couldn't melt steel- they said jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel- so the argument is retarded and meaningless from the git go.


in a nutshell: it's pretty ridiculous for anyone to claim to 'know' what happened, either way...

Answer 8

Yeah, Truthers, and Loose Changers are dog nuts.

I was on the corner of West & Liberty Streets that day, helped in the Rescue & Recovery work for a Month before going back on Active Duty. For one thing, a Controlled Demolition takes time to set up, far longer time than you nutjobs think.

I find it hard to believe that no

Port Authority Police Officer
Security Guard
Secret Service Agent
Fire Marshall
Firefighter
Fire/Safety Director
Elevator Operator
Operating Engineer
Electrician
Plumber
Telecom Technician
Loading Dock Worker
Janitorial Staff Member
Secretary
Office Worker
Visitor
Casual Observer

wouldnt have noticed the MILES of Det Cord, wiring needed to make such an Explosion, not too mention the structure itself having to have been pre-cut, walls removed, holes made in floors

and no one seemingly noticed?

I call Shennanigans on Truthers/Changers...

Answer 9

I think they make a few good points, but go too far.

I agree that the 911 commision was a whitewash. The only reason to have an official commision is to write an official history that can't be challenged. The government also took advantage of 911 to put bases in central asia, which they seemed to plan beforehand. It is also strange that we support Islamic radicals in Kosovo and Chechnya, and Saudi Arabia, but label others "terrorist". The government also seems to be very incompetent in ignoring all of the warnings.

That said, I don't understand why the 911 truthers are fixated on proving the controlled demolition. I think the evidence is weak, and anyway, everyone saw the planes hit the buildings. Why would they need to plant explosives?

Answer 10

Why do I hate those 9/11 conspiracies? Because you people refuse to listen to reason and prefer to live in your own little world.

How did any of you pass high school science?

BTW. If steel CAN NOT melt by fire, how is it smelted or formed? Yes by fire, in a blast furnace, and any large fire (like those on the WTC towers) will suck in enough air to create a blast furnace effect. Check Dresden if you still are in doubt.

Answer 11

Personally, I think they're looking for a reason to defame the government even more than usual. I am a pretty open minded person, but I also know that while open flame can't melt steel necessarily (it could, if the flame were hot enough) I would assume that a lot of airplanes make their hulls out of aluminum (or some other variant of aluminum), and you can melt aluminum on the stovetop.