If Christ and God are the same being, why would God have to give Christ anything? Wouldn't He already have it? I'm not meaning to be disrespectful, or rude. I really am curious about this. I have a hard time figuring out the Trinity doctrine. So I'm asking people to explain it to me.
2007-11-07 03:51:14 · 15 answers · asked by odd duck 6 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Please be respectful to others' beliefs and don't say what they believe in false. You may not agree with it, but I would like to keep this as equal, open ground. Thank you!!
2007-11-07 04:04:42 · update #1
In reading the Bible there are numerous passages that can give us clues to the nature of Deity. There seems to be basically two ways to interpret these clues.
1) Trinity- that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are one being, with three facets or roles- like me- I'm a wife, daughter, and sister (at least that's how it's been explained to me)... One being, but three facets/roles.
2) Godhead- that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are three separate beings, with a common mission or goal- our salvation.
The challenge for Christians is to accept that the Bible really isn't exactly clear which is correct, and to be willing to accept all who love and follow Jesus as fellow-Christians.
The thing I find wonderful is that God has given us a way to know the truth, and it's surprisingly simple (not easy- simple and easy are two VERY different things!)..... In the epistle (letter) written by James to the whole Christian church- first chapter, verses 5 and 6-- Pray in faith, with humility, willing to accept whatever knowledge the Father has to offer, and He will freely give.
Prayer is a wonderful gift Father has given us- Once we understand our true relationship with Him (that of child and loving parent), our prayers will become more meaningful, more powerful and even instictive (it's completely natural for a child to go to a trusted parent with questions).
2007-11-07 04:29:56 · answer #1 · answered by Yoda's Duck 6 · 5⤊ 0⤋
LDS (like me) believe that Jesus Christ was literally (as he said) the Son of God. Heavenly Father is God. Jesus Christ was the only child of God to earn his own way to heaven, and he did this through following all that His Father told him to do. He had a special connection to God, because he was God's only Begotten Son. Note: We are all spirit children of God. We have the same promise as Jesus Christ, to receive all that the Father has, if we rely upon Jesus as Saviour, and strive to follow the laws of God that he taught.
The Saviour always spoke of Heavenly Father as his Father ie a separate being. The doctrine of Trinity was only firmly established at the Council of Nicea, 3 centuries or so later. By then the concept of a three-in-one God was already a tradition amongst the apostate church. You can see the beginnings of apostasy in the church within the epistles of the New Testament.
This article might help to explain it better:
The Only True God and Jesus Christ Whom He Hath Sent
http://www.lds.org/portal/site/LDSOrg/menuitem.b12f9d18fae655bb69095bd3e44916a0/?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=d2552bce258f5110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&hideNav=1
Love MumOf4.
2007-11-07 04:55:13 · answer #2 · answered by MumOf5 6 · 4⤊ 2⤋
They are the same God but two distinct "persons" according to my Bible. Rev 5 is where you see both God the Father and the Son together. This is where the Son receives the title deed to all that is or ever will be.
"And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
and he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne." REV 5:6-7
2007-11-07 04:05:57 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 1⤋
God is the Father Jehovah.. whilst Jesus was His Son.. They are different being.. the scriptures is meaning it this way.. that God, the Father, Jesus, the Son, the Holy Spirit are God.. but they are of different beings..
answering ur question.. imagine this.. u are ur father's child.. if ur father din give u anything.. u wouldn;t have clothes to wear and food on the table.. similarly.. for Jesus.. wad God gave.. Jesus will receive.. :D
2007-11-07 04:23:45 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 0⤋
Ephesians 1:10, "That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might GATHER TOGETHER IN ONE all things in Christ, both which are in HEAVEN, and which are on EARTH; even in him".
There are 3 dispensations of time which bear record in heaven; of Him who WAS, and IS, and SHALL FOREVER BE. He is the Father in Spirit, the WORD in body, and the HOLY SPIRIT in us today. This is the record of ONE person who is the embodiment of the Father and the Holy Spirit . This ONE person is the WORD made flesh and JESUS is His name. Zechariah 14:9, "And the Lord shall be King over all the earth: in that day shall there be ONE Lord, AND HIS NAME ONE". Ephesians 1:21, "Far above ALL principatlity, and power, and might, and dominion, and EVERY NAME that is named, NOT ONLY IN THIS WORLD, BUT ALSO IN THAT WHICH IS TO COME:" John 14:23, Jesus said, "If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and wewill come unto him, and make our abode with him".
2007-11-07 05:01:36 · answer #5 · answered by Elder Woman 4 · 0⤊ 1⤋
As a child it always seemed to me that they were separate personages. Christ told us to have faith as a little child and I am gonna go with that. I think as adults we complicate things too much, by letting our heads get in the way of what our hearts know to be truth.
2007-11-07 04:13:39 · answer #6 · answered by plastik punk -Bottom Contributor 6 · 6⤊ 0⤋
We are not talking about "someone" that the Father is giving to the Son. We are talking about those who "come to the Father" will have to come to Him through Christ. It is similar to the following verse.
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6
2007-11-07 04:01:32 · answer #7 · answered by TG 4 · 2⤊ 2⤋
That would be because Christ and God are NOT the same being. They are one in prupose only, not one in being. Why would Christ ask himself, "If it be thy will, let this cup pass from me, but not as I will but as thou wilt." That would be because they are 2 seperate beings.
2007-11-07 16:08:40 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
Jesus Christ was Deity wrapped in flesh.....who recognized God the Father in heaven who sent Him.
Christ understood His human side in humility......but He also fully understood His God side.
1 John 5:6-8
“This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth. For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.”
2007-11-07 03:53:59 · answer #9 · answered by primoa1970 7 · 3⤊ 3⤋
In addition I have wondered why, if they are the same person, Does Jesus plead with the father several times during the last days of his ministry. "Father I would that this cup be removed from me, But not my will but thine be done"- If Jesus and the father are the same person how does it make sense that he is pleading with him and then saying -thy will be done- I can't wrap my brain around that.
2007-11-07 05:08:26 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 4⤊ 0⤋