Christians, what happened to all of the good, God following Jews who rejected Jesus?

Question

Sure, a few Jews followed, but for the most part Jews stuck by what their god told them and rejected Jesus as a false prophet. That's what God told them to do, on several occasions. They were specifically told not to follow anyone that told them to worship anything or anyone other than the God that their fathers knew. Their fathers never knew Jesus, so they knew they were not to follow him. Again, that was their directive from God.

This brings up quite a dilemma. You have Jesus, saying no one gets to the father but by him, and then you have God, saying there is no one before him and no one beside him. Jews, for the most part, followed God.

So what happened to the souls of those that followed God and rejected Jesus?

I have to comment, Jesus was never prophecied in the Tanakh. I know you've been told that he was, but please take yourself out of the christian mindset and view Hebrew scripture as it was written and used BEFORE Jesus came along. Moses never once mentioned anyone being able to die for the sins of another. He asked God himself if he could sacrifice himself for the sins of his people, and God told him NO, everyone is accountable for their own sins, no one can pay for another person's sins.

Think of what they believed historically, instead of new interpretations and twists on scriptures that had specific meaning for centuries before Jesus arrived.

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It looks like you're the only ones familiar with God, everyone else that answered only knows Jesus.

Foreverset, thank you for your response, but you have the prophecies all mixed up. Do a little research from a traditional Jewish perspective. Better yet, speak to a Jew (messianic Jews don't count, those are Christians, not Jews). Once you know what was actually prophecied, instead of what you're told are prophecies (i.e. read in context the prophecy makes sense, and isn't just a random quote taken from previous scripture) your eyes will be opened.

paperback_writer, I know, but if I can get through to one or two, maybe they can teach two more. It is a losing battle, but I think of myself as planting seeds, not collecting a harvest.

Just so that everyone is aware, I'm not issuing thumbs in either direction. Those whose answers I feel merit a comment, I comment on. Those that I don't like, well, I can't blame you for not knowing. I can blame you for not studying later to find out if what I said is true or not, but I can't fault you for not knowing as of right now.

Answer 1

Why, burning in eternal hellfire and brimstone of course!

According to Christianity, that is.

Thankfully, Judaism teaches that all people have a place in heaven, irrespective of their religion, so long as they lead a 'righteous' life here on earth. We are a far more inclusive religion than Christianity, though ironically many people seem to believe the exact opposite!

note to TIBARBIE, did YOU know that Jesus is not mentioned by name once in the Old Testament? Nor is he 'prophesized' either. Those that think they are reading references to Jesus all base their belief on the same old mistranslations of Hebrew.

CONFIRMED ATHIEST: I empathise with your efforts at introducing common sense and logic to this forum. Alas, I fear that we are fighting a losing battle :)

Answer 2

Well, from a Jewish perspective...
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/

Basically, Jews could accept Jesus as a wise rabbi today if Christianity wasn't hung up on the trinity idea.

In all honesty the Messiah was supposed to set up his kingdom when he showed up. An actual kingdom like David's.

Jesus didn't, though he is supposed to in the future sometime. If he does come back as the Messiah they expect then I'm sure they'll follow suit.

Also the old testament reads that God will honor his covenant and the Jews will enjoy the leadership of Yahweh - read ezekiel.

Also in Christianity there is this habit of reading some sort of duality in prophecies.

An old testament writing is supposed to allude to some other event in addition to the one it was actually talking about.

Actually Jesus never told the Jews to worship anything other than Yahweh. He never made the claim to be Yahweh. He wanted them to go beyond the law and have it written on their hearts, not just show it outwardly.

Jesus being the way and all simply means it is how we are supposed to be in life. That is the way to Yahweh.

In reality, the Jews have it made -
If one believes the old testament prophecies are true then Israel will be reconciled to Yahweh (again Ezekiel and others) so I dunno.

If they are right about Jesus then their Messiah will come as expected and all is good.

I guess it depends on whether or not you think Jesus is god or if he was merely sent by Yahweh his Elohim.

Answer 3

During Jesus's life, people of the holy land (present Israel), were the majority Jewish. Many Jews converted to Christianity, other Jews rejected Jesus and stayed Jewish. These new Christians survived for thousands of years on the same land, not converting to Islam when the Muslims invaded ( The majority of Christians and Jews on the land were forcefully converted to Islam, but some did not ) Before Jews decided to return to Palestine after ww2 and the holocaust, the majority of the population were Muslim, then Christian, and only some Jews. Now Jews own the majority land and the christians their are the minority, but have their roots back to Jesus's time (Unless they immigrated from another country)

Answer 4

It is quite prodigious to me that Christians reiterate hearsay and embrace misguided perspectives without actually studying. Then when confronted and shown their aberrations they still reject truth. The O.T. was mistranslated when it was translated from Hebrew to Greek. Passages get taken out of context and words are even changed to make it seem like Jesus was the messiah. The idea of a 'new covenant' and the belief that the Torah should no longer be upheld is pious fraud. When one compares Christian perspectives with that of Judaism, the differences are impossible to reconcile. Yet, without Judaism, Christianity wouldn't have the coattails they need to set up their fraudulent ideology.

Answer 5

Hmm...

Didn't I hear somehow Christians (and Islams too), we are not really with the Jews?

Thats because people knows the Jews are the smartest, yet the most evilish (maybe recent incidents of people acting in the I Will Survive crap insulting video and Muslim's Prophet drawings are created by them).

Sorry for all offended.

Answer 6

With all due respect to Primoa above, it is those who followed Jesus who lost their share in the next world.

The complete lack of understanding among of who and what the Messiah is supposed to be according to Jewish tradition and what constitutes 'idol worship' among Jews is deeply saddening. If they only knew how many Jewish souls they've led to destruction out of their 'love' for the Jewish people and their efforts to bring them to Jesus, they would die from the shame and embarassment.

Answer 7

The Jews were and are aware that God was providing a "Messiah"....

However, they made their own assumptions of what the prophesies meant concerning the comming Messiah, and, they didn't expect that the Messiah God would send would only be around a short time and then leave them...they expected the scenario of the end times when the Messiah would deliver them from satan and his followers FOREVER.

Have you ever anticipated something you were told you were going to get and when you finally got it, it wasn't what you thought?

The Jews expected a mighty WARRIOR....what they got was one that fought with WORDS He "called" a "sword" instead of with a LITERAL SWORD! :)

LOL Looking back at the Old Testament and the many answers God had given back then, I can only shake my head that they thought God would be "different" in the future! :)

They will have to come to their meeting with Jesus the same way as everyone else.... they are neither unforgiven nor forgotten just because they don't accept Jesus then or now.... so, that is their own personal journey just as each of us Gentiles have to undergo our own personal journeys and each will have to answer God for themselves. :)

**paperback.... May I suggest you re-read the OT?

***Dee...sorry to hear that that may have been your own personal experience about the Lord and/or the Messiah/Savior. In your journey, did you ever stop to meet God's Holy Spirit and had a cup filled with His Spirit until you were full?

LOL An ex-Alcoholic once told me that meeting God was like entering a tavern where you are known...meeting Jesus was like having a beer and left you wanting more...meeting the Holy Spirit was like having a shot as a chaser AFTER the beer....which made the experience complete. :)

Unfortunately, too many people didn't have the WHOLE experience. :)

EDIT RESPONSE TO QUESTIONER.... Forgive me, but, many of the Messianic Jews were once Orthodox Jews whom had followed tradition and the Tanakh/Torah BEFORE Jesus arrived on the scene. The OT of the "Christian" Bible does not misrepresent anything that is in the above Jewish Holy Words...It is unfortunately not just a Christian failing to overlook parts of God's Word in favour of other parts and not taking it in whole. I believe what I have just shared, through prayer and study I have reached my knowledge...however, may I suggest that we all do so once again in case we had been mistaken? I am a seeker of Truth, and after almost 50 years of many questions and answers to and from God, it is still possible to be lacking in some area or another... it is a weakness in most humans, lol...so, this is something I need to re-new my info on, and I will gladly do so! May God bless our research! :)

Answer 8

A new covenant with one people does not break an old covenant with another.

"God holds the Jews most dear for the sake of their Fathers; He does not repent of the gifts He makes or of the calls He issues"~ Nostra Aetate

Answer 9

They had to enter Heaven through the back door.

Answer 10

ForeverSet, you hit the nail dead on the head.

"Have you ever anticipated something you were told you were going to get and when you finally got it, it wasn't what you thought?"