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We know the answer is no. Thus why did the Protestants stubbornly refuse to recognise and come back to Catholic Church?

The good Lord has promised in the bible that He will be with the Church to which He has built upon His disciple, Peter till the end of time. To deny the Church authority is to deny Christ himself and to say Christ lying this fact.

How did Protestants reconcile the fact that they pick the bible according to their own liking and deny the facts?

Its important to follow the Church traditions as no one could reply on his own expertise to interpret the bible according to his own understanding even in the name of the Holy Spirit.

2007-11-06 23:48:59 · 13 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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NEVER,He is perfect, that is why He is God.

2007-11-06 23:51:52 · answer #1 · answered by WC 7 · 1 5

That is not the way that phrase in the original Greek text works. The new name that Jesus gave to Simon, actually related to Rocky, literally translates as "PEBBLE," yet the BOULDER or BEDROCK which was to be the foundation of the church is clearly something much bigger.

The language does allow a feminine word like petra (the boulder to become the foundation of the church) to become a man's name or description, but it does that by using a masculine article with it. However, in Matthew 16:18, we have the word used with the FEMININE ARTICLE instead, making it VERY unlikely that it is describing a man. In other words, Simon could have been given the name Petra. If that had been the case, that normally feminine noun would carry a masculine article when it meant him. Many proper names in Greek follow this pattern, like Agrippa, the form would normally be feminine, but the name carries a masculine article - Acts 25:23.(I skimmed through my Greek dictionary beginning at A ;-)

If the intent had been that Simon was to become that foundation, it would be reasonable to use Petra=Boulder rather than Petros=Pebble.

What then was the foundation Jesus was speaking about? The obvious answer is Peter's confession that Jesus was Messiah.

Church "tradition" is NOT more important than scripture and should NEVER supersede it like it often does in catholicism. The doctrine of SUCCESSION is defective. In our age, the primary source for authority is SCRIPTURE. The scriptures are NOT inordinately difficult to interpret, especially if we take ONLY scripture and throw out all the human additions that were melded into the Lord's church over the last 2 millennia.

Look at the early church. it was not built around tradition and ritual, but a VERY SIMPLE PATTERN, one that was repeated over and over from town to town across the Mediterranean region and ultimately to the known world. It was built on simplicity so it COULD be reproduced across the world, across cultures, ethnic and prior religious lines... Understanding the Bible is NOT DIFFICULT, IT IS ONLY MADE THAT WAY BY HUMAN ERROR. The vast majority of early Christians were only minimally literate. It doesn't take years of education to grow and lead a congregation of the Lord's church, just a little work and study, and a TREMENDOUS love for God, his Word, and his people.


Ack!! witness wrote "First, Peter was an Apostle, not a disciple..."

Don't let unfamiliar words fool you. An apostle is simply a person who was SENT. Look at Romans 16:7 "Greet Andronicus and Junia, my fellow Jews, who were in prison with me. They are highly respected among the apostles and became followers of Christ before I did." "...Among the apostles..." here is including them in and naming them as "apostles." Simply, they were sent, probably by some group of believers.

"Disciple" means a follower, an itinerant learner. Jesus, in Matthew 28:18-20 SENT the apostles to "make disciples." Several times the word is used of the group travelling with Jesus during his ministry. The Greek word for disciple is used over 200 times in the Gospels alone, virtually all of those included Peter.

2007-11-07 07:55:00 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 2 1

The Catholic Church has been known to interpret the Bible according to their own understanding every once in a while, too. Where in the Bible does it say you must to good works do get into Heaven?

2007-11-07 07:53:08 · answer #3 · answered by They call me ... Trixie. 7 · 1 0

Interesting.... What I believe Jesus said to Peter that day about the church is this: " UPON THIS ROCK, I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH" The relational foundation that was established between Jesus and Peter is that Rock! Peter loved The Lord and his love was put to the test, through the circumstances in his life. At one point, he considered himself to be a faithful desciple, (religious, or wise in his own eyes) Witnessed firsthand the miracles of Jesus(experienced the reality of God's power)Was humbled by his own sinfulness(recieved the grace of God) Turned his back on Jesus (recieved God's forgiveness)Witnessed Christ's ressurrection(knows and testifies to the truth of it's power) Was given power from the Holy Spirit to perform miracles(lived out his radical faith in Jesus Christ). All these things and more are the characteristics of true believers today, Which make up the body of Christ, AKA the True Church. Which is not about a structural man-made building. Neither is it about a religion, because all religions are judgementally based, With their exclusive rules and regulations for acceptance, someone is bound to feel unable to get in. Jesus didn't come to nail 'The Door' to Heaven shut, He came to 'remove it from it's religious hinges!!!! Thank you Jesus!!!

2007-11-07 08:58:01 · answer #4 · answered by God's Fountain Pen 4 · 0 4

Thats why when Jesus died the veil of the temple was rent in twain. Doing away with the priest. Now we who are saved can come boldly to the throne of grace. I don't need to confess my sins to man. I don't need to make a sacrifice to come to Jesus. I go straight to Jesus in prayer. The Catholic is not the church.

2007-11-07 07:55:24 · answer #5 · answered by iwant_u2_wantme2000 6 · 5 1

St Peter's wasn't built until the 4th century.

2007-11-07 08:15:05 · answer #6 · answered by Jim 7 · 1 1

Neither Jesus nor any other Prophet ever lied. If they do punishment of God for them is much severere than it would be for ordinary person. Because they represent God on earth, God can not allow them to lie.

It is Paul who lied. It is always the followers who lied and changed Divine Revelations. Beside God never meant to protect the previous books except His Last Edition Al-Quran. Many Jews have tried, but no one ever succeeded.

Only Recently they wrote a book Al-Furqan hoping to replace A-Quran. They talked so foolishly about the influence of this book that they were saying that we will have to built lots of new churches for millions of Muslims who will convert to Christianity after reading this book.
We don't hear about this book. Muslims never bothered to read it and Christians continue to convert as Muslims in Christian world.

2007-11-07 07:59:52 · answer #7 · answered by majeed3245 7 · 4 4

THE PROBLEM ARISES WHEN U INTERPET PETER AS BEING THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH . THIS IS JUST FALSE . , WHEN asked who they thought HE was peter answered you are the son of the livingGOD.. jesus said simon no flesh and blood revealed this to u on this NOW ON WHAT >> on this rock ,, or on this truth i will build my church and nothing shall prevail against this.. .
peter WAS BUT A MORTAL man fallable no church can be built on a man it has to be built on truth alone ..
JESUS EVEN stated in mathew15v 9 that worship is in vain when traditions are held above the commandments OF GOD. . NOW MANY CATHOLICS HOLD THEIR FAITH TO WHAT THEY BELIEVE IS TRUTH ,,
PAUL when persecuting the church and putting the followers of the way IN PRISION AND SOME TO DEATH THOUGHT, he was doing this for GOD. . paul was earnest in his belief untill he was relesed from his chains of darkness on the road to damascus. HOW MANY STILL HOLD ON TO A FORM OF TRUTH but in actuality are lost in sin??. hebrews also points out that jesus is our high preist and we have the right to come before the throne of grace to confess our sins to him. we now live in a time when the priesthood was done away with so a better way is available . mj

2007-11-07 08:04:43 · answer #8 · answered by mjbrightergem33 4 · 2 4

First, Peter was an Apostle, not a disciple.
2nd Mark 7:9-13 says "For laying aside the commandment of God you hold to the traditions of men"....."All too well you reject the commandment of God that you may keep your tradition"..."Making the word of God no effect thru your tradition which you have handed down and many such things you do".....

Eternity is a LONG time, pal, base your faith on Gods fact, not traditions of a fallen church!

2007-11-07 08:05:23 · answer #9 · answered by witness 4 · 1 5

If he ever said he was the son of God then yes he did lie. Obviously if I was to say I'm the son of a non-existent myth then I would be lying. However, I believe there is no evidence that Jesus (if indeed he was a real person) ever suggested he was the son of God. The real liars are the folks who wrote the gospels. Even then, it's possible they were simply writing fiction and had no intention for it to ever be taken literally.

2007-11-07 08:00:01 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 4 5

Jesus never lie, the human that wrote the bible are the liar.

2007-11-07 09:44:46 · answer #11 · answered by rionix88 3 · 0 4

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