Mormons answer me?

Question

I have several questions but I'll just ask the 3 that seem to contradict everything you believe.

First: You guys believe our God is only the God of this earth, and in his life he worshiped his god, and that god worshiped his god, so on, and so on...but, Who was the very first god that started that chain reaction?

Second: Grab a Bible and go to Luke 20:27-38, do you see a problem there with eternal marriage? You can't call Jesus a liar.

Third: Where are the Golden Plates? and don't post something like "well, they were taken up to heaven, but we don't really need then, all we need is faith." Well, its kinda true but every religion is based on some kind of fact to prove it right. Where are they?

Don't answer my question if you have nothing good to say.

I don't care about south park, can't you just answer the questions?

Answer 1

First: You guys believe our God is only the God of this earth, and in his life he worshiped his god, and that god worshiped his god, so on, and so on...but, Who was the very first god that started that chain reaction? DON'T KNOW. AND I DON'T REALLY CARE UNLESS MY GOD TELLS ME I NEED TO. HE IS THE ONLY THAT I WORSHIP. I COULD ASK YOU HOW FAR THE UNIVERSE GOES BUT YOU PROBABLY DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER EITHER. I WOULD SUGGEST YOU TAKE YOUR QUESTION TO GOD IF NONE OF THE MORMONS CAN ANSWER IT. THEY HAVE A LOT OF ANSWERS BUT DON'T EXPECT THEM TO KNOW EVERYTHING.

Second: Grab a Bible and go to Luke 20:27-38, do you see a problem there with eternal marriage? You can't call Jesus a liar. YES, YOU SOUND JUST LIKE THE SADDUCEE TRYING TO CATCH THE SAVIOR. THE QUESTION SHOULD BE - WHO IS THE BRIDEGROOM?

Third: Where are the Golden Plates? and don't post something like "well, they were taken up to heaven, but we don't really need then, all we need is faith." Well, its kinda true but every religion is based on some kind of fact to prove it right. Where are they? DON'T KNOW. THEY MUST BE SOMEWHERE THOUGH. SEVERAL PEOPLE SAW THEM!

Answer 2

First:
We don't know anything about any of that. God never said. This is part of man making theories based on what little we DO know. So, I guess some believe it, some don't and some don't really worry about it.

Second
Jesus was talking to the Saducees. The Saducees didn't believe in the resurrection (dead is dead).

Now, think about this:

Everyone knows taht the Saducees were always trying to trip Jesus up. Now, if absolutely NO ONE believed that there would be no marriage in heaven, why would they even ask that question?

Luke 20:36 actually sounds like, in order to make it into heaven, one must not get married at all!

Third
God took the plates. I know that's probably not the answer you want, but it's the only one we can give. We don't know where He put them.

What fact proves Christianity right? We don't have anything from the New Testament that proves anything. We don't even have any of the original writings of the New Testament. There is no scientific evidence that Jesus is the Christ.

Answer 3

As far as LDS, they have a different concept to how many other Christians understand scripture. Don't most religions disagree in one way or another.
You are right it does say in those verses there is no marriage in heaven as those who receive heavenly life are like the angels. They neither marry or are given in marriage.
I hope the day comes soon when we will all understand the same thing which harmonizes with God's will.--Zephaniah 3:9

Answer 4

The nature of God is often misunderstood by those trying to detract from the Church. Go back and read a site like jefflindsay.com for answers to most of the anti-mormon questions asked.

EDIT on second, sorry, i misread. Try this one:
http://www.fairlds.org/FAIR_Brochures/EternalMarriage.pdf

As for proof. The plates were witnessed by upstanding members of the community who had a lot to lose by lying. They were persecuted and some fell away from the Church later but never denied what they saw.
That is more proof than most religions have.

Answer 5

YAY!!! i love these questions.
i've worshiped every god , goddess , energy and so on and finally converted to the religion i never thought i'd follow, mormonism.
answer for #1 = Ever hear of the Mandel Brot Set fractal thing? yeah...thats pretty much what the beginning is like of the Gods.
just because we are stuck in the concept of everything being temporary doesn't mean that there had to be "The First God" and to correct you we believe that our Father governs over the entire Galaxy and each Galaxy rotates around in the Universe and there is a God that governs over each Galaxy.
I used to get pissed that no one could give me a "tangible" answer to that question either. but then it just dawned on me and it just clicked like a key in its proper lock. It seriously never began and will never end. oh yeah and God still worships his Father and we will eternally worship ours....

answer to #2 = in verse 35 i interpreted Jesus meaning marriage as pertaining to a legal, earthly marriage but, thats just me. Everyone should know that the Bible we have is choppy so let me just explain eternal marriage.
Man gets sealed to Wife in temple, lets say Wife dies, Man remarries and gets sealed in temple. then Man dies. The Man will be eternally sealed to the wife that is of his level of spiritual intelligence. Lets say the first wife excelled so much in when she left the man and the man stayed at a certain level of light, why should she have to be with someone for all eternity that is not at her level of intelligence? and in Luke there seems like there is a lot of Jesus's words that are missing, its just so choppy. There are some people that may get married on the earth legally (are given away in marriage) and after the ressurection the marriage is naught. some spirits will be happy eternally single being angels unto the Lord forever progressing on that level you know?

question #3 = well yeah, the Golden Plates have been taken up by angels. this is just my personal belief but if us lame mortal beings have airplanes and rockets, God technology is so far advanced we wouldnt be able to fathom it in our current state hahaha. Why couldnt he take something off the earth so it wouldnt get defiled like everything else?
and its not like the Lord just took them, he made sure copies were made (see Book of Mormon)

holla at me if you want anything clarified
I really hope this helps you out in your quest for understanding

Answer 6

Havent you watched South Park?
The mormons are the correct ones, just join them before its too late!

Answer 7

"religion is based on some kind of fact to prove it right."

Like a book thats been re-written for thousands of years!!!!!

Lol!!

IN YOUR FACE!

Answer 8

and just "where" are th' plates?, y'all drop 'em on the way tuh UTAH? You're ducking again!!!

Answer 9

http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2005/10/shocking_new_ph.html

Answer 10

Non-Mormons seem to be obsessed with this "as man is, God once was." I don't think it's a difficult concept to understand at all. And believe it or not, Latter-Day Saints totally don't dwell on the whole "chain reaction," as you put it.

We simply believe that God is our Heavenly Father--everyone on earth is his child, he created all of us as spirit beings and loves us unconditionally--and, believe it or not, ALL of the people that came to this earth wanted to follow his plan of exaltation, rather than Satan's idea that everyone simply be "given" their exaltation right then and there, without a test of mortality, without dwelling in a body and being subjected to choosing between good and evil.

The very first test of this, as we know, came in the Garden of Eden when Heavenly Father personally came to Adam and Eve and instructed them not to eat of the fruit of the tree, with a warning that if they did, they would become "mortal," in other words, be subject to death. To the ken of most people, this is a horrible fault in mankind--but we LDS believe that this was part of our Father's plan: to subject us to mortality so that we may be able to choose between good and evil, and therefore prove our faith and obediance to our Father in Heaven.

We believe that Heavenly Father's plan consists of this: In order to live in the highest degree of glory, that is, with him, we must demonstrate that, despite a veil of forgetfulness of our premortal life with him, that we will be faithful to the principles and laws of immortality, that is, the absolute highest laws of God. We must do good in this world by serving our fellow brothers and sisters. We must have faith to communicate with our Father through prayer. Also, we must make what we call "covenants" or promises, to our Heavenly Father, that shows our acknowlegement of him and our obediance to him. We believe that these promises that we make to Heavenly Father are so important, that they are sacred, so they are made in the temples that you see.

We LDS believe that from the times of our premortal existance, when Heavenly Father made this plan, that one important element would be a "trouble-shooting," if you will. He knew that we would fail at keeping the laws of a perfect kingdom, and that justice dictates that we would have to die a permanent death (that is, a permanent separation between us and God) I hate to put it in so glib a term as "trouble-shooting." But that's what it is--Heavenly Father knew that we would fail as mortal beings, and because he loves us so unconditonally and does not want to loose a single one of his children, he provided a way for justice to be served.

THerefore, we believe that Heavenly Father intended for one mediator to put this plan into effect, and that person, of course, is Jesus Christ, who is the only one in this world begotten by the Father. We believe that, under the directions and intentions of the Father, that Jesus orchestrated the creation of this beautiful world, and that he himself would come into it and offer himself as a sacrifice, to pay the price for the sins that we would commit, in order for us to have the ability to return to live with our Father. We do believe that Jesus paid the price for all of our sins, but we must acknowledge this atonement in order to be completely righted with him.

Acknowledging Christ's atonement while blatantly continuing in our sins does not constitute justice or redemption. And we believe that receiving redemption through the atoning sacrifice of Jesus is the ONLY way that justice is done for us--there is no other way to return to Heavenly Father except through Christ.

While we can never be perfect while mortal, we still must strive for perfection, and this is done through a continual process of repentance and reconciling ourselves with Christ.

This, again, contrasts to Satan's demand that we simply be given "a state of perfection"--but then, according to Satan's plan, no freedom to choose. Everyone would be the same level--no progress, no potential,no glory, no worth. And Satan himself wanted to take sole charge of this gloomy state of things.

Heavenly Father rejected this idea, and that is why Satan tries to come among us still, to try to turn our hearts to his plan, to tempt us into sin and make us miserable like he himself is. And--as part of Heavenly Father's plan, we are free to choose Satan's idea if we want.

Our whole LDS religion is based upon the idea that we have our agency to choose anything that we wish. However, the laws of justice dictate the consequences of our choices: eternal life with God, or eternal separation from God.

We also believe that because God does not want to loose any of us, that even those who come to this world and reject God, and do not keep his commandment--even they have a state of glory that they will inherit, though not as great as it possibly could be.

But I guess this does not answer your question. You wanted to know why believe God "is only God of this earth" as you put it. Well, first of all, we don't know that he is the God of only this earth, that's not for us to know at this time, but perhaps we will know someday. All we know is that we are to glorify him as our Father. (That's enough for me--how about for you?)

What we do believe, however, is that our Heavenly Father has a body. No, he is not a mortal man--far from it. He has an absolute perfect, glorified body that is beautiful in every way, and is immortal. This, I feel, is the main point that differs from your religion and mine. LDS believe that Heavenly Father's design is that we all achieve this state of immortal perfection in the flesh. We were created as spirits in Heaven, by our Father. However, his intention is that we be, as I said, perfect immortal beings as he is--that's what a loving father wants for his child. (And God's love is unconditional and perfect beyond our comprehension.)

Though we were created as spirits, we were given this temporary state of mortality to try to achieve perfection--that is, to overcome our faults of mortal beings clothed in an imperfect mortal body. Of course, we can only do this entirely through the gift of atonement of Jesus Christ--we can never become etirely perfect in this world, but Jesus redeems us if we only take his name upon us.

Think about it: our sins are constituted of faults of an imperfect body: Greed, lust, anger--and those sins of a more cognitive nature (hatred, malice, conspiracy, denial, cruelty, omision of charity) are just a more complicated state of those sins formed out of an "animal nature"(LDS say the this is the state of the "natural man" as written in our scriptures) that is contrary to God.

Those who did not choose God's plan as spirit beings--that is, Satan and those who chose to follow him (you might call these "demons"--do not have bodies at all, perfect or imperfect. They will never feel or taste or hear or see as we do or have the potential to, ever, and this makes Satan angry and miserable and out to destroy God's children.

Satan wanted this gift of an immortal body, but he did not think it necessary to prove himself to achieve it. He and his followers did not want to come to this earth as mortal beings--so they didn't. But we believe that they still try to come among us in spirit to tempt us into failure.

Our hope and sincere belief is that one day, we too will be immortal beings and have overcome the state of "natural man." This is what we regard as the ultimate exaltation--this and living in Heaven with our Father. We will have had ability to put all the imperfections of flesh aside, and will be able to have a perfected body as our Heavenly Father does. This is what we call eternal life--a perfected body and the worthiness to dwell with God.

We feel, that at some point, throughout the eternities before, that God himself achieved this state of perfect immortality in the flesh. We don't know when or how or who or what--and that's really not for us to worry about--it's just the way it is, and all we know is that God wants us to strive for this as well. For us LDS, as opposed to non-LDS who seemed to be obsessed with this concept of LDS doctrine, this is in the peripheral. We have so much else to concern ourselves with in this life--serving and loving our brothers and sisters and trying to put aside our faults (isn't that hard enough? I believe so! I struggle with it every day!) that we don't really concern ourselves with the "chain reaction," as you say.

Well, I answered one of your questions. Sigh! I work the night shift and really should be in bed now, but for a daughter who decided to miss the school bus this morning and several pets who insist on being let in and out in 30 degree weather(not all LDS are crazy about animals like I am!)

So, ask your question about marriage again another time and I will try to answer it. I need to get some sleep right now.

But as for you question about where the golden plates are. Well, tell me where the ark of the covenant is. Or the plates received by Moses that God himself wrote upon. Where are the original manuscripts of the Bible? How was God able to part the Red Sea with a wall of water on the left or the right?. . . .hmmmmm, I guess if you can't believe in miracles of modern days, how can you believe in miracles of Biblical days?

and PS--You're lucky this morning. . .I NEVER answer doctrinal questions because I think people believe want they want to regardless of what anyone tells them, logic aside.