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Look again, or do I always have to show you the truth for you to see it and then refute it again.. Refute anything I post in the next 100 questions and you will find yourself in denial of yourself and your very faith. Everything is going to come from your own book. Be prepaired that truth you decided to avoid is going to fall upon your very head Al hamdoullah.

2007-11-06 18:02:07 · 4 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

CONSPIRACY TO CRUCIFY HIM! THEY ALWAYS FAIL!

2007-11-06 18:02:39 · update #1

You can mix the second coming of Jesus with the first leaving all you desire we will show proof and I am going to point the entire Justice League to the Bible and start to seperate it part by part for your ignorance as such Al hamdoullah.

so you just keep up your pathetic existance for your war, while others around you want peace... that is fine and you call us Muslims the mongers when we called you to peace over and over again and all you want to do is have war... how useless will this be as usless as your book became after King Constintine touched it! You want to be awakened and loose more of your people that is totall fine with all of us. Al hamdoullah

2007-11-06 18:10:57 · update #2

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It might help if you made some sense. You're assuming that we understand what you're saying. Everyone knows that two plus two must equal four or reality itself might be in danger of collapsing, but most people have heard the rumor that two loaves and two fishes once fed a substantial multitude of people...

What Jesus taught wasn't understood by most of the people who heard him, and even though the Apostles were taught what he meant without the parables that were used to confuse others about what he really meant, for fear that the 'pigs would trample it underfoot before it could be fully developed. Ultimately they didn't understand it either, then control of the church passed to to those that found his Vision to far too radical for ordinary reality, so they changed things so ordinary reality wouldn't be threatened anymore.

Bluntly, Jesus' didn't die a gruesome death in a ritual crucifixion to pardon y'all for your petty sins and misdemeanors, he died to overcome death itself. (There is only Do and Not Do, there is no Try! Go and do likewise, oh sorry, I was channeling Yoda...)

His mission was to show Humanity the only Way of thinking that adults could use to do miraculous feats, and he said that the World, the Establishment, the Master of ordinary reality -- Satan -- would not only hate him for it, but would hate anyone who put his hints about what it was together successfully.

The Church was to be the vehicle for Jesus' Reality that words can't describe directly, because it lies outside what everyone else thinks they know about how the World works, to exist within a small communities of people who were in the World, but not of It". Only small groups of people can radically change what has been declared to be true by the experts that work for the World, and only if there is absolute certainty without any ambivalence that things don't have to be as they've always been - he called it Faith - then things that are impossible in ordinary things are more than possible.

Jesus' followers embarked on creating an alternative reality, among many alternate realities that exist in Reality, and Jesus sent a Helper to be a guide along the Way. Then something tragic happened, the Church leaders gave up their inheritance for a mess of porridge! The leaders of the Church were given tolerance by the Emperor Constantine in return for the new religion joining the World to become the new Atlas that would uphold the the Major Consensus Reality by paying the Ultimate Price - the abandonment of the Jesus' Way - the Reality that edits Maya, and brings about radical transformation -- something implssible, something NEW, something wonderful that changes mundane reality into something else!

The church left its true love, and the mundanes combined the Father, Jesus, and Jesus' promised Helper (the Holy Spirit) were transformed into a new Triune God, so the Church Hierarchy could put him in Heaven where he wouldn't cause so much trouble for the Establishment reality, much like the Greeks banished their meddling gods to Olympus to get them out of their daily lives, for Christianity is as much Greek as it is Hebrew. Why would the Church decide to ignore what Jesus said about the what the "Kingdom of Heaven" was? Was it to conform to the World, and gain the backing of the RomanEmpire,and not it's wrath. The results were that the rich and powerful of society no longer had to worry about any talk about changing their reality, because they've controlled the Church that once taught people how to do it ever since!

What Jesus taught was that the prevailing consensus reality -The World, could only be only changed through a mode of adult thinking that treated all possibilities as the same, as equally possible. Satan is a metaphor for what the Hindus call Maya - the human illusion of consensus reality we are all programmed with by culture from birth. Jesus' Way was what we might label "thinking outside the box" -- but, the box Jesus taugh thinking outside of the prevailing main consensus reality itself!

This mode of thinking is illustrated throughout the NT. All of Jesus' parables attempt to describe the undescribable -- the Reality that lies outside the convensions of culture and society and its masters! The narrow Way that leads to life, instead of the Freeway that leads to stagnation and societal collapse and perdition.

Bluntly, Jesus didn't die to absolve y'all of your petty sins and misdemeanors, he came to show people the Way to "turn on, tune in and drop out", but notice Jesus told those he healed to show themselves to the Priests and Pharisees, these same people that Jesus' lambasted for standing in the Door and not entering in and for being a barrier for those that would enter in, so they could see for themselves that something New was in their midst, and that it brought results - miraculous. And the best part is that He said that you, average xtian, could surpass his works -- so, how do you surpass the works of a god?....

The Hindu fakir has an absolute certainty that his god will protect him from burning while firewalking, and poking large hooks in their backs, and piercing their cheeks with sharp sticks. He can walk through fire, why can't you? Mebbe, you don't have that Mustard Seed of Faith, absolute certainty that it will be done. Now, if he tells you that you too can walk the fire if you hold his hand and you come out unharmed, is that materially different from Jesus taking Peter's hand to walk on water?....

2007-11-06 20:38:48 · answer #1 · answered by sheik_sebir 4 · 1 0

I'll bet you never get to post 100. You are a radical fundie and they never survive.

Buh bye.
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2007-11-07 02:32:29 · answer #2 · answered by Safe Sax 5 · 0 1

Awwww,,,stop chasin' your tail!!! the FAILURE is always you!!

2007-11-07 02:06:07 · answer #3 · answered by hamoh10 5 · 1 1

hey whatever you say .............rucified or not it takes all kinds .

2007-11-07 02:11:08 · answer #4 · answered by dogpatch USA 7 · 1 0

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