OK Atheists Once and for all!! Will you please explain creation without a creator...????

Question

What has existed forever without any origin? Some electrons, a thin blue gas, matter, energy, gravitational pulls, the entire universe itself?

Up until now - the most intelligent response I ever got from an unbeliever was this: "Just because I can't explain it doesn't mean I have to accept your explanation!"

And I want to - I need to - know - is that the best you can do? You can't explain creation without a creator? You can't explain how something was created from nothing? You can't explain the existence of anything without an origin?

But you don't have to accept GOD, the Creator?

Is that your position now?

Frank - you are honest, thank you!

Beavis - do you really believe that?

Danzarth - you just broke my BS detector!

Socrates - Thomas Gold's theories have been widely discredited now just three short years after his death

Two good theories are developing here:

1) Matter and energy have always existed with no origin - which no one in their right mind could believe; and,
2) Just because I can't explain it doesn't mean I have to accept your explanation!

I am very disappointed. I thought unbelievers loved logic!

Paul - because I thought you guys needed proof for everything; and on the one huge question for the ages, you not only have no proof - you can't even develop a plausible explanation!

Catherine E - I like your thought process and your passion; even if I disagree with your conclusion, I can still appreciate a well articulated response - one Christian thumbs up!

Answer 1

Here's the thing. I don't know how it all happened. I just don't like blind faith. Peace to you.

Answer 2

Everything has always existed.

It's believers that actually complicate things by adding a magical, invisible, supernatural being into the picture. (That doesn't even have any evidence for its existence whatsoever.) You try to claim that this "God" has always existed, yet at the same time try to claim that it's impossible for something to have always existed--that everything needs to have been "created". In other words, you claim that "God" wasn't created, then you try to say that it's ridiculous for us to say that the universe wasn't "created", because everything needs to have been created? Can we say "circular logic"?

You're complaining: (atheists say that) "...Matter and energy have always existed with no origin - which no one in their right mind could believe", and yet *you* think that anyone in their "right minds" could believe that there is a magical, invisible, supernatural beings out there with no origin?

You say "Up until now - the most intelligent response I ever got from an unbeliever was this: 'Just because I can't explain it doesn't mean I have to accept your explanation!'" Well, that's because it IS an intelligent response. At least it's an honest response. It's more intelligent and honest then inventing a story about an invisible supernatural being "creating" everything just because we don't understand it. That's just *making up* an answer. Making up an answer is NOT intelligent, and it's NOT honest. And it would NOT be intelligent for us to accept someone else's explanation that an invisible, supernatural being did it just because *they* assume that, when they can't provide a single scrap of evidence that such a being even exists. Why would you consider magical beings to be a "plausible explanation"?

Answer 3

The big bang is pretty much accepted as the start of the universe. They can even still here 'echos' of it through-out the universe. They picked it up with radio telescopes back in the 60's. What we don't know was the spark that set off the big bang.

I've heard a couple of different theories on it. Two of the most logical sounding to me is that the universe is simply a cycle. It expands out for so many billions of years, then starts to contract into say a super black hole and then this is compressed down and spat out the other end.

Another one is that the spark happened when two different dimensions overlapped and you had the big cosmic bang.

Stars, in a nut shell, are planet factories. In their super-hot centers elements are formed and spit out in to the universe and over the eons those coalesce and form in to other stars, planets, solar systems and eventually new galaxies.

We can prove a lot of this through science and where we run in to the occasional gap, our knowledge is sufficient enough to make very educated guesses. Provide answers with a high degree of certainty. Take the periodic table, for instance. Back when they were starting on it, one of the guys, I can't remember his name, was able to predict how many elements that would be found later, based off only a small number of the elements they had discovered at the time. The gaps in our knowledge about the creation of the universe are very similar. We can't answer all the questions, but we can make very educated guesses and none of them include a God in the equation. All of it works just fine without him.

So, I've answered your question. Much longer than I intended to considering my gut response was 'how can you explain a creator without a creator?' That's a much more fantastical notion then the big bang, innit.

-S-

Answer 4

You are asking average people in the religion section ..

Why dont you use your brain for a minute and ask this question under the science question where you may get a more accurate response. I never claimed to know *how* All I ever claimed is not believing in a higher power.. that is it. There are other beliefs other then believing in a god .. or not. Those are only 2 beliefs out of 100s.

and tell me exactly what evidence you have ? None ..
You cant prove the bible with the bible .. you cant prove it by just saying so. It only makes sense to you .. b/c that it probably the only thing you were taught. The same goes for my beliefs make sense to me..

There are many who dont understand others who have different religions .. and the point is not to understand .. but to respect it. As long as you're not knocking on my door .. or killing someone in the name of your belief .. then believe what u want.

Answer 5

I don't know, and neither do you.

Why are you having such a hard time understanding this?
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"Paul - because I thought you guys needed proof for everything; and on the one huge question for the ages, you not only have no proof - you can't even develop a plausible explanation!"

Neither can you.
I admit I don't know.
You're not honest enough to do so.

I win this one, pretty easily, kid. You're in WAY over your head, and you're far too arrogant for someone as bad at this as you are.

Answer 6

I don't know where it came from, but it doesn't mean it had to come from some creator.

In the case that you are trying to prove if everything has to come from something. Where did your creator come from. "You can't explain how something was created from nothing? You can't explain the existence of anything without an origin" So as soon as you can explain that without just saying that he has always been here, then quit asking that stupid question.

Answer 7

You won't be able to get it, so why should we bother?

It's a vast universe, you expect our species, that is so tiny that we barely even exist on a planet that is just a single speck of dust within the universe...you actually expect people to have these answers?

Tell me, should we be flattered that you think we should be so brilliant, or should we be annoyed that this is your little way of saying "ah-hah, you can't tell me so god automatically did it!" which is absurd and actually thinking that for some reason, and somehow, we are supposed to have "all the answers" here and now...

But just because as a human I don't know does not mean some magical being out there is space did it. It could very well be something that no human has even thought of yet, if ever.

Answer 8

creator, or creation has nothing to do with god, or religion.... life on earth evolved... and JUST BECAUSE WE CAN'T EXPLAIN IT, DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO ACCEPT YOUR LAME EXPLANATION" and if you think "god just made it happen" is an intelligent answer, you got an IQ of 2..... evolution is just as much a natural law as gravity and just because you don't accept it don't mean it doesn't happen that way... We can't explain why the world is round but it doesn't stop it from being round although both gravity and the earth being round was denied and opposed by the christians... as it was then so is it now but this time it's with evolution... you gonna lose that one too..

Answer 9

The origin of matter (subatomic particles) in the first microseconds of the big bang has been explained by astrophysics. The explanation is considerably more elegant than that found in any theological work, and the predictions generated by the theory have been substantiated by convergent lines of evidence.

The further processes by which subatomic particles made protons, which made hydrogen, which in the core of stars fused into higher elements, etc., etc. has also been thoroughly described.

Answer 10

All the matter and energy in the universe has always existed. No need for a creator.

First Law of Thermodynamics: Energy can be changed from one form to another, but it cannot be created or destroyed. The total amount of energy and matter in the Universe remains constant, merely changing from one form to another. The First Law of Thermodynamics (Conservation) states that energy is always conserved, it cannot be created or destroyed. In essence, energy can be converted from one form into another.

Answer 11

who says there was even a creation? how do you know all matter simply didn't just exist? we do not have enough data to say 100% for sure what happened. we can guess using the data we have but that's it. just because we don't have a complete answer doesn't mean it is not right. also not knowing does not mean there is any deity.